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£2 DYM spot

YouMadYouMad Member Posts: 60
edited January 18 in Poker Chat
Hi All,

I've been screenshotting spots which I'm finding difficult and reviewing them later (using a free ICM nash programme). I thought I'd share this one to see what the consensus is.

As you can see, I'm leaning towards a shove (and think I did). No reads, apart from SB is solid.



Any discussion welcome :)

Comments

  • goldnballzgoldnballz Member Posts: 1,802
    Seems like a must shove for me.
  • YouMadYouMad Member Posts: 60

    Seems like a must shove for me.

    Agreed.

    I was just puzzled that the calculator came back with KQo+ and K9s+. However, I think I had FGS (future game simulations) disabled, which would disregard us having to pay the BB next hand.

    With it enabled, it shows it as a clear shove (which I thought it should be!).

    I'm still getting back into playing and just getting into studying. As they say, "I've learned that I still have a lot to learn."
    :)
  • TWRAMYEPTWRAMYEP Member Posts: 348
    I'm guessing for experienced players this is a auto shove.



  • YouMadYouMad Member Posts: 60
    TWRAMYEP said:

    I'm guessing for experienced players this is a auto shove.



    Agreed. I'm shoving wider than this normally (don't tell anyone).

    I was second guessing myself with what this software was telling me (computer says no!)
  • HENDRIK62HENDRIK62 Member Posts: 2,552
    Think shove is absolutely fine and standard in this spot, if run into a monster its just bad luck
  • thedazzmanthedazzman Member Posts: 292
    YouMad said:

    TWRAMYEP said:

    I'm guessing for experienced players this is a auto shove.



    Agreed. I'm shoving wider than this normally (don't tell anyone).

    I was second guessing myself with what this software was telling me (computer says no!)
    Noted ;)

    Onto the hand in question, I would probably be shoving this all day as well. But a few thoughts that spring to mind are, quite often at this level you have a weak player to your right, who makes up their SB with any two, and I mean any two. And proceeds to check down to the river if they hit nothing. So if the table has been on the loose side, you could opt to likely see a free flop in the next hand.

    I've lost count of the amount of times my BB has been checkdown by the SB, and won the pot with T high or J high, because they have checked down their 83's and the like.

    There is also a sitout, which may give you a better chance to steal his BB, if you get the chance.

    I'm sorry, I would love to give you sound reasoning with poker theory, but I don't really have any extensive knowledge of that. But I'd trust the poker software.

    Good luck at the tables
  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 966
    Shove :)
  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 966
    YouMad said:

    Seems like a must shove for me.

    Agreed.

    I was just puzzled that the calculator came back with KQo+ and K9s+. However, I think I had FGS (future game simulations) disabled, which would disregard us having to pay the BB next hand.

    With it enabled, it shows it as a clear shove (which I thought it should be!).

    I'm still getting back into playing and just getting into studying. As they say, "I've learned that I still have a lot to learn."
    :)
    I wonder about these calculator at times. They have their place however find myself questioning some of the answers from them. Guessing KQo and K9s etc. will be in the region of pushing top 15% of hands (maybe less).
  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 966
    Long story short shove can't be bad if it's a -EV shove it's not a massive error.

    Don't sweat this one :)
  • BlairReidBlairReid Member Posts: 48
    "I wonder about these calculator at times. They have their place however find myself questioning some of the answers from them. Guessing KQo and K9s etc. will be in the region of pushing top 15% of hands (maybe less)"

    The issue lies with the information you input into the software and the settings you use. If you find yourself disagreeing with poker software then it's best to err on the side of caution. I'm yet to see a winning player just blatantly disregard any learning/tracking tools. Thinking you know better than a solver is as logical as thinking online poker is rigged, with some added ego.

    As you've identified yourself, the issue here came from your choice to work it out for pure ICM rather than including FGS. If you're gonna do calculations at these sort of stack depths from utg, especially for flat payout structures, then future game simulation is a must.

    Having said that I still don't think this is the most efficient way to study at these stakes. Running the calculations will get you more accurate answers than asking on the forum will for sure. But it's still very time consuming and is usually used to get peace of mind on one decision rather than to learn a concept. If you're just starting studying then I'd say just buy a book on general ICM then put serious volume in whilst trying to apply the concepts from it.

  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 5,764
    Limp/fold
  • Mayhem357Mayhem357 Member Posts: 71
    I think it's a shove but I'd look at the players in the blinds, how likely are they to call/fold and how often are they attacking my blinds. At £2 DYMs you will have a big edge over the field and if they are giving you a walk often I would be OK with a fold.
  • JK_REACHERJK_REACHER Member Posts: 1
    It’s a shove,with your 4 bb stack......If the person to your left was in your position,he folds with his stack size..can’t let those blinds gobble you up late in game 😀
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