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Is the EU bloc racist? Join the dots.

chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774


Firstly, back to the Referendum.
































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  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    Evidence?








































  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    No replies necessary, stand at ease. No jerking.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,844
    While we were members of the EU, our immigration numbers from the rest of the world exceeded the number from The EU.
    These numbers have not been reduced at all.
    The Leave promise of "Taking Back Control" of our borders doesnt seem to be going that well.
    They are expecting this years total number of illegals to be treble that of last year.
    How do you think that they can solve this problem within the law?
    Why are we blaming the French?
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    edited August 2020
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,844
    chilling said:


    Not true.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,844
    edited August 2020




    chilling said:




    I cant be bothered to read all of this nonsense.
    The EU have rules in place to deal with migrants in the the first safe country in which they land.
    These rules are under review as they seem less fair to some states than others.
    The first bit illustrates that the various states are acting independently, rather than as a bloc.
    There are two issues, firstly The EU has many reasons for protecting the border of the bloc.
    Secondly, it seems reasonable that independent states protect their own borders, from those other than citizens from other member states.
    The border issue is about stopping them moving from state to state, and breaking the rules, and could probably be described as taking back control of their borders?
    They pay Turkey for the upkeep of refugees, and stopping them crossing the border into The EU.
    They are seeking a solution to the problem which would make everyone happy.
    What could be wrong with independent states taking back control of their borders?
    What is wrong wrong with The EU controlling the border of the bloc, and trying to solve the problem?
    Didnt Germany take a million refugees in one go?
    What could be wrong with wanting to bring people traffickers to justice?
    Doesnt much of the above reflect the aims of our Home Secretary?





  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    Building fences to keep migrants out was in no way similar to the USA building a wall on their southern border?
    People smuggling is a $150 billion dollar a year buisness. It’s ok to give the traffickers the thumbs up?
    From a safe country, France, although some have said on record that they don’t regard France as safe,you risk your life to cross the channel and cough up a fortune at the same time.
    The numbers of migrants countries take in doesn’t mean a great deal. The amount of refugees or asylum seekers that get taken in, would carry more clout imo.
    There are 64 different nationalities amongst the migrants in Greece, some will be genuine refugees/ asylum seekers, a big proportion won’t be.
    Are there 64 countries that are in conflict/ disarray?
    Ian Collins took a reasonably rounded view a couple of days ago on LBC.
    If you’re a migrant, you can’t pick and choose which country you would like to live in.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,844
    chilling said:

    Building fences to keep migrants out was in no way similar to the USA building a wall on their southern border?
    People smuggling is a $150 billion dollar a year buisness. It’s ok to give the traffickers the thumbs up?
    From a safe country, France, although some have said on record that they don’t regard France as safe,you risk your life to cross the channel and cough up a fortune at the same time.
    The numbers of migrants countries take in doesn’t mean a great deal. The amount of refugees or asylum seekers that get taken in, would carry more clout imo.
    There are 64 different nationalities amongst the migrants in Greece, some will be genuine refugees/ asylum seekers, a big proportion won’t be.
    Are there 64 countries that are in conflict/ disarray?
    Ian Collins took a reasonably rounded view a couple of days ago on LBC.
    If you’re a migrant, you can’t pick and choose which country you would like to live in.

    I thinking you are mixing up issues.

    The EU has freedom of movement, which is a ronseal among member states.

    The EU also has rules on asylum seekers.

    Each member state must follow EU rules regarding citizens of member states.

    Yet they will have their own laws regarding their borders, and immigration of non EU citizens.

    The EU member states that are strengthening borders are doing so to combat the problem of asylum seekers breaching the rules and travelling throughout the member states.

    I believe that the EU are revisiting the rules, as the current rules seem unfair on some member states.

    I dont believe that any country wishing to control immigration, should be described as racist, and having no borders would be stupid.

    I believe that people should be treated fairly and equally, irrespective of the colour of their skin, and ethnicity.

    I also believe that the countries that can afford to should take their fair share of asylum seekers.

    Putting limits on numbers of immigrants is common sense rather than racist.

    We are just making a big fuss at the moment over wanting to send people that have probably arrived in France illegally, back to France.

    Our Government dont really appear to care what happens to them, as long as they go somewhere else.


    Frankie Boyle explains about us entering a "Golden Age of Racism," very well.

    https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=yfp-search-sb&p=frankie+boyles+brexit+joke+about+immigration#id=2&vid=d249d027e88d8969c5071858d41c7223&action=click
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774

    Convincing evidence that the EU block is indeed a bloc full of racial discrimination.
    No surprise, as most countries have a similar trait.
    Evidence for that at a later date. One more post from me, then I’m done on this thread.

    Slightly off topic, but it is topical at the minute.
    Maybe because the weather is hot, nobody can be bothered.





















  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,844
    chilling said:


    Convincing evidence that the EU block is indeed a bloc full of racial discrimination.
    No surprise, as most countries have a similar trait.
    Evidence for that at a later date. One more post from me, then I’m done on this thread.

    Slightly off topic, but it is topical at the minute.
    Maybe because the weather is hot, nobody can be bothered.





















    Yawn.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,844
    edited August 2020
    The Government Is Demonising Migrants To Distract You From Its Failings



    It’s no coincidence that in the week the UK dipped into the worst recession the country has ever seen, the government chose to redirect public attention to a small number of people crossing the British channel.

    Public mood suggests that the country wants answers to difficult questions, to understand the high death toll from coronavirus and the depth of the economic fallout.

    So, it’s no real surprise that the government is looking to find someone to blame.

    This is not a new tactic from the government. In a disturbingly regular cycle, when the news cycle is quiet, and the summer months are warm, the government turns its eye to the Channel.



    Successive Home Secretaries have chosen this strategy, vilifying people who want nothing more than to live otherwise ordinary lives in safety, but whose only path is the dangerous journey across the Channel.

    When the public hears the stories of people granted refuge in the UK, they are sympathetic, understanding that fleeing war, persecution and hardship is a matter of life and death, and that being with the people you love is of utmost importance.

    Many of us have felt a fraction of this during the pandemic and can wholly relate – how many of us have desperately wished we could be with the people we love during lockdown? But what the government does not tell us is that the only difference between refugees in the UK and those in Calais, is 15 miles.

    The reality is these perilous journeys are a problem of the government’s making, one that has gotten progressively worse decade after decade.



    Where we can agree with the government is that these journeys need to end – no one wants these journeys to occur, least of all those forced to risk their lives on overcrowded dinghies and those providing services, support and legal advice. But the reality is that these perilous journeys are a problem of the government’s making, one that has gotten progressively worse decade after decade, and could be resolved with simple action.

    The government’s current proposals to “secure” the borders will do nothing to end dangerous crossings or curtail trafficking. We’ve heard all of this before – that it’s France’s responsibility, that the route should be made “unviable” and that that the Navy should “push people back” in breach of international refugee and maritime law.


    When the government abruptly closed camps in Calais in 2016, organisations on the ground warned that these strategies would push people away from oversight, and directly into the hands of traffickers. Similarly, a report from the Foreign Affairs Select Committee in 2019 highlighted that “policy that focuses exclusively on closing borders will drive migrants to take more dangerous routes, and push them into the hands of criminal groups” – Priti Patel sat on this very committee.

    The region of Calais acts as a black hole, where a small but steady population of homeless and destitute people are trapped, vulnerable to people traffickers and smugglers, exposed to violence from the French authorities, denied support service and legal advice.



    Many have family or loved ones in the UK and are desperate to reach them but in most cases, it is physically impossible to apply for asylum unless you are on British soil.

    The only existing routes to apply from outside the UK include the Global Resettlement Scheme, which is limited to Syrian refugees and has currently been suspended – no one has been resettled since March, and the Family Reunion Reunification route, which is extremely limited in its definition of “family”. Earlier this year, the government closed the Dubs route so that even unaccompanied children in the EU cannot reach the UK safely.



    The only way to ensure that these journeys are ended is to introduce accessible and legal ways for people to apply for asylum or entry from abroad, so that they can travel here safely and don’t have to rely on people traffickers.

    This could include expanding or recommitting to existing routes, introducing a claims processing centre in France or establishing Humanitarian Visas. Safe and legal routes would be a far more simple and pragmatic solution than building higher walls, putting a blindfold over our eyes and our hands over our hearts.

    In the coming months, we can expect to see the government increase their dangerous rhetoric about those crossing, as a means to scapegoat migrants for their catastrophic failings.


    It will be migrants who are to blame for the lack of jobs, a drop in house prices, the decimation of the high street and long queues at the Jobcentre – when this couldn’t be further from the truth.

    At this precise moment, it is vital that we call for safe and legal routes of entry to the UK, ensuring that no one dies trying to reach what should be home. But it is equally important that we stand fast against dangerous rhetoric – the same rhetoric that placed responsibility for the last financial crisis on to migrants. A compassionate and practical approach must be championed by everyone who wants to end dangerous crossings once and for all.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/the-government-is-demonising-migrants-to-distract-you-from-its-failings/ar-BB17VlND?ocid=msedgntp
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