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When Collusion isn't Collusion
Rinkhals
Member Posts: 212
in Poker Chat
Hi all, I've just read the post about the alledged collusion on the £33 DYM's and although on face value the issue raised seemed pretty cut and dry it got me thinking about how a group could fall victim to the allegation of colluding.
Let me explain.
I've been playing cash on here now for the last few months, just the 2p/4p NLHE and there are a number of players that I've got to know and enjoy a chat with. We often end up on tha same tables because of the player pool. We will often chat about various players and their playing styles, all quite open and in the chat box.
Thing is we've got to know each other's games pretty well and rarely end up in a pot together. Not because we don't want to take money off each other but because we have a pretty good idea what their ranges are.
Given that, it could appear to someone watching from the outside, (say like a player who has been playing on the tables from the outside) that we're colluding. It does after all have all the hall marks, i.e. not getting involved in pots, describing hands played and generally giving each other pointers on particular players.
Nothing could be further from the truth and I guess I felt that I ought to point out that appearances can be deceptive. Poker can have a strange effect on how people think, especially if they've just lost a few coolers. So I think it's worth remembering that here on Sky Poker there are groups of players who chat with each other a lot but in no way collude with each other.
Have fun all and gl at the tables.
Let me explain.
I've been playing cash on here now for the last few months, just the 2p/4p NLHE and there are a number of players that I've got to know and enjoy a chat with. We often end up on tha same tables because of the player pool. We will often chat about various players and their playing styles, all quite open and in the chat box.
Thing is we've got to know each other's games pretty well and rarely end up in a pot together. Not because we don't want to take money off each other but because we have a pretty good idea what their ranges are.
Given that, it could appear to someone watching from the outside, (say like a player who has been playing on the tables from the outside) that we're colluding. It does after all have all the hall marks, i.e. not getting involved in pots, describing hands played and generally giving each other pointers on particular players.
Nothing could be further from the truth and I guess I felt that I ought to point out that appearances can be deceptive. Poker can have a strange effect on how people think, especially if they've just lost a few coolers. So I think it's worth remembering that here on Sky Poker there are groups of players who chat with each other a lot but in no way collude with each other.
Have fun all and gl at the tables.
Comments
The subliminal cash collusion doesn't come close.
It ranges from not going heavy against a player because you chat together to putting the brakes on against a player because they probably have you beat because they always seem to have it.
Three new accounts all from the same area all have suddenly decided to play the same high stakes games and are/were clearly are working as a team in pots. Min-clicking it to squeeze the other players out the pots and redistributing the chips to whoever has the lowest and clearly knowing each other's hands. If you saw even just 5 hands you could tell for a fact it is collusion.
I wrote that post and completely agree with you.
Have been accused of cheating many times myself on the DYM circuit because I talk with other regs in live chat and we tend to multi table together.
If you know you're playing a reg, you may play differently compared to vs a new player so I understand how the impression is created.
With Cash Games there are no ICM considerations so I'm *guessing" collusion is rare.
But in this case it was blatant and just wanted to warn players so they didn't lose money as I and others did. It was so coordinated that I wouldn't be shocked if it was 1 player managing three accounts.
I doubt that 3 different people are sad enough to collude playing just 1 game at a time.
They played one hand where the player in position turned a set of aces (which was the absolute nuts) and checked it down to avoid knocking out his mate.
The next hand they played together was for 3000 chips pre-flop and the monster stack folded to an insignificant 150 chips all in on the flop (on the bubble too).
It's so difficult to play on the bubble when you have approx 1500 chips and the other 3 players have 10.5k between them and colluding.
Most players are fine and in general I wouldn't be concerned about people who talk in live chat.
It's usually done by id thieves and I'll not go into it much more than that (don't want to be giving people ideas lol) other than to say they open up accounts to process ill gotten gains from one person to the other, then withdrawing to "clean" the money.
I've not seen it on here and I doubt that they'd get away with it as we play in £'s. It's a lot more common on the bigger sites which is partly why I've always avoided playing cash on those.
I see - sounds like low level money laundering. I guess if it's HU it doesn't affect other players. Doubt you'd enter a 6max and accidentally spew your ill gotten gains away.