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X factor style employment has anyone else ever experienced this?

DoublemeDoubleme Member Posts: 2,199
So I have in the past worked in places that take quite a nasty attitude in my opinion to employment. I have named this X factor style employment I am not sure if it has an official name.

A more appropriate name may be Darwinist employment, the practice works like this you employ workers to do a job with the pre intention of sacking x% of workers no matter what! it does not matter how good these workers are they could be the best workers anywhere at the end of a certain period x% are getting sacked no matter what. every week or month new employees are employed and the bottom x% of workers are getting sacked.

Some smug managers somewhere think this is a good system to have only the best workers and have people fighting for their jobs every day they think it motivates people and gets the absolute best out of them.

initially I thought this only applied to call centre jobs as this was quite common i found in telesales/teleprospecting jobs. I then one summer many years ago got a job deep cleaning student rooms and found they were applying this concept as well.

I have also heard that two of the major supermarkets in this country run the same policy at some of their stores.

Some Managers somewhere think they are been smart with this and that this is a good idea and system for getting the best out of their workers. I truly cannot say if it is or is not but what i can say is from an employee perspective it makes work a living ****. Every day you go in feeling stressed and like your fighting to hold onto your job sabotage from colleagues and bitter work place politics follows and the work place turns into a bitchiness ****. Often I found myself getting very stressed and dreading work.

some people have told me that this employment practice is illegal, I am no employment lawyer so maybe they are right maybe they are wrong I truly do not know. Apparently if you have worked somewhere for a certain period of time it is illegal to just sack you outright you need to go through processes etc, well these places i worked had constant employment assessment and systems in place to fast track any worked out the door fast.

I am not going to debate if this is legal or not because I am not qualified what I will say is it is something I have witnessed on multiple occasions. I am wondering if this is becoming a constant theme throughout the uk?

Note no I have not been fired from my day job and my current day job do not have this employment practice, it is on my mind again though because for various reasons unrelated to this post I am looking at seeking employment elsewhere.

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  • kapowblamzkapowblamz Member Posts: 1,587
    edited August 2020
    The good ones get hired and the bad ones get fired. The main thinking behind this is that better employees are better.

    There is a reason the chicken factory singer did not get through.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm9jBH7ufRU
  • DoublemeDoubleme Member Posts: 2,199

    The good ones get hired and the bad ones get fired. The main thinking behind this is that better employees are better.

    There is a reason the chicken factory singer did not get through.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm9jBH7ufRU

    Is that from a comedy or is that real the guy must have been having a laugh surely?

    regardless its not quite as simple as you make out,

    for example I was fired from my deep cleaning job some time ago because they thought I was not fast enough or doing the job well, I was teamed up with a Romanian women who did a terrible job and blamed me I was the only English worker there.

    since we were teamed up in pairs and not watched but our work checked later they blamed me assuming English workers are bad, when it was her who was the bad worker and sacked me. they later decided to sack her tried to text me my shift eg tried to employ me back and I rang them up and told them you can't sack me then re-employ me once you sack me you've sacked me im not coming back.

    You see here they were racist, in my job at a call centre when I was talking to potential customers the data file would suddenly scroll way across onto someone else ruining the whole call for me whenever I was getting somewhere turned out a colleague in my office had linked up a mouse to my computer and was **** with me.

    However do you really desire a job where every day you face the risk of been fired?
    sure if you do a bad job you deserve to go, its reasonable for an employer to expect a degree of effort and competence however turning low paying jobs into stressful wolf pit **** holes is not the world where I want.

    I have had a few jobs like this occasionally I have managed to hold on for quite some but time but its always super stressful.
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    You sound like an employers wet dream.
  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 1,397
    If I am reading this right.

    You believe that some employers/organisations hire more people than they require in order to keep the best of the workers while sacking some that don't fit the mold or otherwise? Is this to keep the ones that stay on their toes?

    I do believe that jobs and politics in some roles are an issue so would not be shocked if that does happen in some places. Some employees have a chance to shine while others may not be afforded the same chance. That's life.

    Stress etc. in the workplace is quite common and permanent staff have greater protection than they likely have ever had. Things have changed for the better in that regard. Some workplaces can be brutal, some political and others manageable. Found if you have a good boss and decent colleagues it can help a lot.

    Some environments - like telesales for example are very stat driven and more pressurised. Worked as telesales advisor for 6 weeks between contracts years ago, got to the point where I had to say to my manager at the time this isn't for me. Don't think many would be happy to do that type of job either.
  • DoublemeDoubleme Member Posts: 2,199
    Cammykaze said:

    If I am reading this right.

    You believe that some employers/organisations hire more people than they require in order to keep the best of the workers while sacking some that don't fit the mold or otherwise? Is this to keep the ones that stay on their toes?

    I do believe that jobs and politics in some roles are an issue so would not be shocked if that does happen in some places. Some employees have a chance to shine while others may not be afforded the same chance. That's life.

    Stress etc. in the workplace is quite common and permanent staff have greater protection than they likely have ever had. Things have changed for the better in that regard. Some workplaces can be brutal, some political and others manageable. Found if you have a good boss and decent colleagues it can help a lot.

    Some environments - like telesales for example are very stat driven and more pressurised. Worked as telesales advisor for 6 weeks between contracts years ago, got to the point where I had to say to my manager at the time this isn't for me. Don't think many would be happy to do that type of job either.

    its more then that when I was working in a call centre one day the boss said there are 6 new starters on Monday and only 3 seats you do the math.

    when I was working in deep cleaning student rooms they said summer is starting and thousands of people will be coming out wanting our job. its one thing to sack someone who either isn't able to do the job well or isn't motivated enough etc. its another to create environment when people fighting for their jobs every day.

  • gregkdy82gregkdy82 Member Posts: 530
    Doubleme said:

    The good ones get hired and the bad ones get fired. The main thinking behind this is that better employees are better.

    There is a reason the chicken factory singer did not get through.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm9jBH7ufRU

    Is that from a comedy or is that real the guy must have been having a laugh surely?

    regardless its not quite as simple as you make out,

    for example I was fired from my deep cleaning job some time ago because they thought I was not fast enough or doing the job well, I was teamed up with a Romanian women who did a terrible job and blamed me I was the only English worker there.

    since we were teamed up in pairs and not watched but our work checked later they blamed me assuming English workers are bad, when it was her who was the bad worker and sacked me. they later decided to sack her tried to text me my shift eg tried to employ me back and I rang them up and told them you can't sack me then re-employ me once you sack me you've sacked me im not coming back.

    You see here they were racist, in my job at a call centre when I was talking to potential customers the data file would suddenly scroll way across onto someone else ruining the whole call for me whenever I was getting somewhere turned out a colleague in my office had linked up a mouse to my computer and was **** with me.

    However do you really desire a job where every day you face the risk of been fired?
    sure if you do a bad job you deserve to go, its reasonable for an employer to expect a degree of effort and competence however turning low paying jobs into stressful wolf pit **** holes is not the world where I want.

    I have had a few jobs like this occasionally I have managed to hold on for quite some but time but its always super stressful.
    They were racist against you because you are English? Lol

    Nice paragraphing btw


  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,462
    Doubleme said:

    So I have in the past worked in places that take quite a nasty attitude in my opinion to employment. I have named this X factor style employment I am not sure if it has an official name.

    A more appropriate name may be Darwinist employment, the practice works like this you employ workers to do a job with the pre intention of sacking x% of workers no matter what! it does not matter how good these workers are they could be the best workers anywhere at the end of a certain period x% are getting sacked no matter what. every week or month new employees are employed and the bottom x% of workers are getting sacked.

    Some smug managers somewhere think this is a good system to have only the best workers and have people fighting for their jobs every day they think it motivates people and gets the absolute best out of them.

    initially I thought this only applied to call centre jobs as this was quite common i found in telesales/teleprospecting jobs. I then one summer many years ago got a job deep cleaning student rooms and found they were applying this concept as well.

    I have also heard that two of the major supermarkets in this country run the same policy at some of their stores.

    Some Managers somewhere think they are been smart with this and that this is a good idea and system for getting the best out of their workers. I truly cannot say if it is or is not but what i can say is from an employee perspective it makes work a living ****. Every day you go in feeling stressed and like your fighting to hold onto your job sabotage from colleagues and bitter work place politics follows and the work place turns into a bitchiness ****. Often I found myself getting very stressed and dreading work.

    some people have told me that this employment practice is illegal, I am no employment lawyer so maybe they are right maybe they are wrong I truly do not know. Apparently if you have worked somewhere for a certain period of time it is illegal to just sack you outright you need to go through processes etc, well these places i worked had constant employment assessment and systems in place to fast track any worked out the door fast.

    I am not going to debate if this is legal or not because I am not qualified what I will say is it is something I have witnessed on multiple occasions. I am wondering if this is becoming a constant theme throughout the uk?

    Note no I have not been fired from my day job and my current day job do not have this employment practice, it is on my mind again though because for various reasons unrelated to this post I am looking at seeking employment elsewhere.

    Alternatively, instead of firing the worst workers, employers could hang on to the worst, fire the best, and head for bankruptcy.
    I spent about 40 years of my life working in sales, much of it on a commission only, self employed basis.
    The best thing about sales is that your earnings tell you how good you are.
    Although many people that just arent very good, will try to blame anything, except themselves.
    Usually, sales people are given targets, and fired for not achieving them.
    This is normally made clear in the interview.
    Why would anyone want to employ someone that wasnt very good at their job, whatever that job may be?
    I must have interviewed thousands of people for sales jobs, all of whom claimed to be good at it.
    Very early on I recognised a type.
    This type was a person that claimed to be terrific at sales, as they had done lots of sales jobs.
    We would run through their jobs.
    Each one would be for a relatively short space of time, months rather than years, they never admitted to being fired, they always left.
    There was always something wrong with the company they were working for, rather than them.
    This was despite the fact that some of the companies they had worked for were well run reputable companies.
    They would claim the manager was no good, the manager didnt like them, there werent many leads, the leads were no good, commissions werent being paid correctly, they werent being treated fairly, the prices were too high or too low, etc etc.

    You are sounding like one of them.

    I often wondered why they didnt look for a job that they were more suited to.

    People that are very good at selling on the phone, are usually very happy, earn a fortune, and dont moan about call centres.

    You are either good at sales or you arent.

    If you arent happy doing a particular job, look for another one.
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