PLO Preflop Ranges

Angmar2626

Hi boys and girls,

Does anybody know of any free PLO preflop resources/charts for starting hands?

Most resources I've found so far assume that you either already know your ranges and PLO is your main game or you don't understand the rules. Is there anything in between?

Please no more videos of Daniel Negreanu saying: "Yeah well the thing with PLO is it's kinda similar to Holdem but also kinda different, and erm well, Aces is nowhere near as good as it is in Holdem except it kinda is, but not if you're out of position, erm unless you know your opponent is really crazy but even then it's kinda bad except it's kinda good, everything you do at the poker table conveys information, loosey goosey sandwich"

hoban01

have you tried upswing poker

Angmar2626

hoban01 said:

have you tried upswing poker

Looking for free content only as I'll be playing MTTs and no big tourneys run to make it worth it

Cammykaze

jnandez had some good stuff on YT. Would imagine it's still there.

He focused on cash games however it's useful for general pre and post flop information. May have specific videos on pre-flop ranges as well. Worth a look.

Angmar2626

Cammykaze said:

jnandez had some good stuff on YT. Would imagine it's still there.

He focused on cash games however it's useful for general pre and post flop information. May have specific videos on pre-flop ranges as well. Worth a look.

cheers, will check it out

hhyftrftdr

@LmfaoAllin is the PLO end boss, he told me so himself.

kapowblamz

The biggest thing about starting hands in PLO mtts is knowing what hands do well in low spr situations. You will see a lot of pumping or dumping. Generally they're very high connected cards and big pairs. Careful with QQ, KK, tho, as it's so easy to run into AA.

If you haven't played a lot of PLO then you should play some micro PLO SnGs because they'll give you the experience you need to learn the common spots.

HENDRIK62

hhyftrftdr said:

@LmfaoAllin is the PLO end boss, he told me so himself.

I saw a meme on Facebook saying the same thing so it must be true

Phantom66

@MattBates says it's true so it must be

(although I think he did also refer to the fact that it was @LmfaoAllin who told him)

@Angmar2626

I assume you know the basics already, but just in case...

You want cards that work well together (ideally all 4) and that can draw to the nuts

High pairs with connected cards
double suited hands
running cards

Cards that dont work well with the rest of your hole cards are danglers. One dangler hands are playable but back off to heavy preflop action. The only 2 card dangler hand that is relatively strong preflop is AAxx and even then you want to thin the field and give up to a wet board with action.

Beware - third cards, a set in your starting hand, 3rd suited cards which block your outs

Starting hands are important but PLO is mostly a drawing and post flop game, given each player can make 6 different hands and you are limited to the pot size bet.

Mulitway pots you really need to either have the nuts or be drawing to the nuts. If you have the nuts and dont have any draws to improve your hand be careful, it may even be the right thing to fold.

You mention MTTs, the deeper you get you need to adjust, widen your ranges and up the preflop aggression.

Link below = Top 30 hands and some general advice on the difference in ranges and value PLO v NH plus some post flop advice re:straight draws. Other links at the bottom.

https://www.pokerlistings.com/strategy/omaha/omaha-odds-and-outs-a-quick-and-dirty-guide

Allan23

Phantom66 said:

@MattBates says it's true so it must be

(although I think he did also refer to the fact that it was @LmfaoAllin who told him)

@Angmar2626

I assume you know the basics already, but just in case...

You want cards that work well together (ideally all 4) and that can draw to the nuts

High pairs with connected cards
double suited hands
running cards

Cards that dont work well with the rest of your hole cards are danglers. One dangler hands are playable but back off to heavy preflop action. The only 2 card dangler hand that is relatively strong preflop is AAxx and even then you want to thin the field and give up to a wet board with action.

Beware - third cards, a set in your starting hand, 3rd suited cards which block your outs

Starting hands are important but PLO is mostly a drawing and post flop game, given each player can make 6 different hands and you are limited to the pot size bet.

Mulitway pots you really need to either have the nuts or be drawing to the nuts. If you have the nuts and dont have any draws to improve your hand be careful, it may even be the right thing to fold.

You mention MTTs, the deeper you get you need to adjust, widen your ranges and up the preflop aggression.

Link below = Top 30 hands and some general advice on the difference in ranges and value PLO v NH plus some post flop advice re:straight draws. Other links at the bottom.

https://www.pokerlistings.com/strategy/omaha/omaha-odds-and-outs-a-quick-and-dirty-guide

This is the strategy post I'll be reading before the next UKOPS PLO event

LmfaoAllin

hhyftrftdr said:

@LmfaoAllin is the PLO end boss, he told me so himself.

@hhyftrftdr I hold many records at the sky PLO tables, most notably 'longest wait list' when I'm playing.

@Angmar2626 Good advice above from Kapow and Phantom. Really important about the spr spots Kapow mentioned, get to know your equity so you know what % you should be stacking off with.

A lot of hands can appear pretty but not play well post flop. Being more of a drawing game than NL we want hands that can often flop lots of equity.

Double suited run down type hands are great and play well v the often over played bad aces/kings.

When you do play aaxx kkxx type hands, don't over value them pre unless they're double suited/connected or you'll find yourself in a world of pain post flop, only knowing where you are if you flop a set and even then often only good on certain run outs.

Ranges are affected massively depending on how deep you're playing, something you'd want to really get to grips with if playing PLO mtt's as that's an ever changing variant.

As mentioned above there is the Jnandez launchpad but that costs monthly. He has a ton of YouTube stuff for free though which is def worth going through.

He briefly joined up with UpSwing, at which point the guys who were running all the sims for him went off on their own and created some ace charts with opening ranges, ranges facing diff action from diff positions etc and also varying stack depths. Not only comprehensive but also the most user friendly I've used.

If you want any deets feel free to send me a PM and I'll send you a link.

GLGL

LmfaoAllin

Live PLO100 cash game, you flop trips with no draws or high cards. How do we proceed facing a x/r @hhyftrftdr @COFFEENCRM ?

hhyftrftdr

LmfaoAllin said:

Live PLO100 cash game, you flop trips with no draws or high cards. How do we proceed facing a x/r @hhyftrftdr @COFFEENCRM ?

At least report the hand history correctly before throwing me under the PLO bus.

Angmar2626

Thanks for the replies guys, great stuff.

One more question if people are in the mood for sharing MTT strat (got to be careful with all these prestigious £2.20 PLO MTTs on Sky...)

On 10bb assuming no ICM, where in NLH you'd open jam/3b jam unless doing anything funky, in PLO are you just going full pot pre and bombing any flop with that SPR? Or doing any min-raising or limping so you can end up making a flop decision? Latter seems spewy but guessing we're not getting as much fold equity pre when we can't go all in!

Angmar2626

LmfaoAllin said:

Live PLO100 cash game, you flop trips with no draws or high cards. How do we proceed facing a x/r @hhyftrftdr @COFFEENCRM ?

Story time...

kapowblamz

With 10bb you can min raise pre if you're trying to induce action because you've got a monster. Just pot hands like Queens and Kings. I'd also rather pot hands like 4567 because you'll need the fold equity more often than not.

If you have a hand that flops well more often then min, if it misses a lot then pot it.