Worth Shoving here?

Jeni82

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Chris	Small blind		12500.00	12500.00	225424.00
bluecall07	Big blind		25000.00	37500.00	302842.80
	Your hole cards	A Q
Jeni82	All-in		164973.50	202473.50	0.00
GSmith13

Jeni82

This is now at final 4 in the gold rush, Big stack (Gsmith13) is 5-6 times stack size the rest of us.

MattBates

What are you suggesting you would do rather than shove?

Jeni82

@MattBates: I did consider folding but had been doing that quite a lot of that in the final 20.

kapowblamz

You should be shoving here with about 30% of all hands, so ye, slam dunk shove.

Itsover4u

Thats you profitable jamming range... folding AQ would be a disaster and by far the worst of every option

Jeni82

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Chris	Small blind		12500.00	12500.00	225424.00
bluecall07	Big blind		25000.00	37500.00	302842.80
	Your hole cards	A Q
Jeni82	All-in		164973.50	202473.50	0.00
GSmith13	All-in		1719259.70	1921733.20	0.00
The_Chris	Fold
bluecall07	Fold
GSmith13	Unmatched bet		1554286.20	367447.00	1554286.20
Jeni82	Show	A Q
GSmith13	Show	A A
Flop
		9 2 6
Turn
		2
River
		6
GSmith13	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and 6s	367447.00		1921733.20

Jeni82

Thanks folks for the comments, super helpful. Just posting hand for completeness. Dipping my toes in to the bigger buy ins now and was wondering if there was logic in folding there and guess not!

hhyftrftdr

Do you post the hand if everyone folds?
Or if Gsmith calls with TT and you win?

Jeni82

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Jeni82	Small blind		5000.00	5000.00	280909.50
Shrimpy28	Big blind		10000.00	15000.00	256995.75
	Your hole cards	A 8
SAXONTOM	All-in		41172.75	56172.75	0.00
B4NDY371	Fold
The_Chris	Fold
XgudiS	Fold
Jeni82	Call		36172.75	92345.50	244736.75
Shrimpy28	All-in		256995.75	349341.25	0.00
Jeni82	Fold
Shrimpy28	U

Jeni82

Above hand had happened earlier in the tournament and I thought Shrimpy28 played it really well. I am guessing I should have folded pre-flop (without calling short stack shove) or called Shrimpy28's all-in, which would have put me all in.

cabbaz

That A8o spot isn't easy and is very opponent dependent. I think it depends on how aggressive you think both opponents are, how close you are to the bubble, and also the size of the bounties.

Assuming normal bounties at this stage, this is ITM and the original shover is going all in with a (correct) wide range of hands- you cover the BB and the effective stacks are 25bb, so personally I would jam all in. Worst case scenario, shrimpy calls, but he'll fold a lot and, even when he calls, you are still playing for 2 bounties and likely will have some equity with an Ace.

By calling, you are allowing him to make you fold with a lot of hands you're flipping / ahead of, as it's correct for him to jam lower pocket pairs, KQ etc.

However, say both players have minimum bounties- if you think the BB is very passive / will never be jamming worse hands, calling then folding is probably reasonable.

Jeni82

@cabbaz : Thank you, should have added this is just ITM. Shrimpy and I both had 4-5 bounties, so decent money there.

I had been on a losing 2 week streak and some of my KOs have been while trying to nab a short stack's bounty while there has been a similar stack sized player in between.

hoban01

due to every ones stack sizes i think a shove is the only option if a player on the table only had a blind left then i would limp fold but i dont know much

Itsover4u

This is 4bb no ante profitable shoving range UTG so A8 does extremely well vs this range... However we cant assume opponent is ever shoving correctly and sky is one of the nittiest sites for mtts online.

But you should be rejamming for the bounty its more valuable than clinging on for a ladder and can position you to win a tourney. If bb wakes up with a hand so be it.