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Rules on co-ollition
The_Don90
Member Posts: 9,814
Excuse my spelling in the title of this thread, however im looking to take up on advice from another member of the forum about Co-ollition.
This happened in the SPT Semi Qualifier on the bubble, although i can accept going out on the bubble (well getting £4.40 back out of my £5 entry fee) its disappointing to go out in circumstances like this.
So heres what happened
The hand i went out on, fair enough he hit on of his 3 outs.
So he'll call my all in of 2x BB with 96 but wont call this other guys effectivley doubling him up. Which allowed him to take my other opponent out.
Again a fair enough hand, but should the 600 been called earlier when the pot odds where there really for any hand to call in the BB would he have got the chance? i dont think so.
Now im not 100% sure on if this would qualify as co-olliotion however both players almost refused to be in a pot with the other. There was no chat in the box from either player, although both me and Oceans agreed the 600 should have been called on the BB after i folded the 10 2.
This happened in the SPT Semi Qualifier on the bubble, although i can accept going out on the bubble (well getting £4.40 back out of my £5 entry fee) its disappointing to go out in circumstances like this.
So heres what happened
The hand i went out on, fair enough he hit on of his 3 outs.
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balan |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| xxxxxx | Small blind | 600.00 | 600.00 | 17310.00 | |
| The_Don90 | Big blind | 1200.00 | 1800.00 | 1360.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| kingkenned | Call | 1200.00 | 3000.00 | 11330.00 | |
| bobby786 | Call | 600.00 | 3600.00 | 16710.00 | |
| The_Don90 | All-in | 1360.00 | 4960.00 | 0.00 | |
| xxxx | Call | 1360.00 | 6320.00 | 9970.00 | |
| bobby786 | Fold | ||||
| The_Don90 | Show |
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| xxxx | Show |
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| Flop | |||||
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| Turn | |||||
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| River | |||||
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| xxxxx | Win | Two Pairs, 9s and 6s | 6320.00 | 16290.00 | |
However heres a hand just two minutes before
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The_Don90 | Small blind | 500.00 | 500.00 | 8660.00 | |
| xxxxx | Big blind | 1000.00 | 1500.00 | 11530.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| oceans0007 | Fold | ||||
| bobby786 | All-in | 1600.00 | 3100.00 | 0.00 | |
| The_Don90 | Fold | ||||
| xxxxx | Fold | ||||
| bobby786 | Muck | ||||
| bobby786 | Win | 3100.00 | 3100.00 |
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| yyyyy | Small blind | 500.00 | 500.00 | 6710.00 | |
| bobby786 | Big blind | 1000.00 | 1500.00 | 9700.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| The_Don90 | Fold | ||||
| xxxx | Fold | ||||
| oceans0007 | All-in | 6710.00 | 8210.00 | 0.00 | |
| bobby786 | Call | 6210.00 | 14420.00 | 3490.00yyyyy | |
| yyyyy | Show |
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| bobby786 | Show |
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| Flop | |||||
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| Turn | |||||
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| River | |||||
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| bobby786 | Win | Full House, Aces and Kings | 14420.00 | 17910.00 | |
Now im not 100% sure on if this would qualify as co-olliotion however both players almost refused to be in a pot with the other. There was no chat in the box from either player, although both me and Oceans agreed the 600 should have been called on the BB after i folded the 10 2.
Comments
I showed the other hand as it shows the player who got 3100 for taking the blinds with 1600 taking out my other opponent. Just to really show the entire end of the game folded out, there are other hands but most of them are just scrappy.
Report it if you want.
but if you are worried, use live chat and report it.
I see nothing wrong with his call against you,as there was only one player to act after him who would have no reason to get involved.
I know you as a fairly aggressive player and could put you on a fairly wide range. Does the same apply to the player he refused to make the call against ? Or would he have only made the play with a premium hand?
You were desperately unlucky though !
I mean no ill by this, but if the OP had qualified, despite how others were playing, the thread would not exist. It's results orientated, with due respect.
Just move on, or take it up with Customer Care. As several have suggested, above, in these sort of formats - Super-Sats - the losers always suggest something is amiss.
Collusion is extremely difficult to prove in these formats, too.
Experienced players can & will, without speaking to or even knowing each other, know what the optimal play is, & there is nothing to prevent them playing optimally. Optimal play on the seat bubble of a super-sat is rather more sophisticated than you might think.
The fact that he could have won 3100 chips for 600 by making the call against the other player is not really relevant. He already has a good stack and has no need to get any more. The important thing is to maintain the pressure on the shortstacks on the table, and as you dont know how bad his hand was, its difficult to criticise him for refusing to further increase the chips of one of the shorter stacks.
He may already have been looking at your situation, where you were very short and had the blinds coming up and seen that as a better opportunity.
..First hand shown your playing 3 handed, villian limps and you shove for 1bb more from the bb, auto call, bit weak limping with 96s, but figures he may have live cards to your all in..in this case he hasn't but gets lucky.
Second hand he is in the bb and gets shoved on, he may just look at 72 or some rubbish and just thinks its not worth an all in and doesnt think about pot odds in these senarios.
my two pennies worth..