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What would you do here?
Enut
Member Posts: 3,564
Mid stages of a £20 MTT, not near the money yet, what would you do here? All/any opinions welcome.
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| RUTSTER19 | Small blind | 200.00 | 200.00 | 14682.50 | |
| chicknMelt | Big blind | 400.00 | 600.00 | 19755.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| ozzieowen | Fold | ||||
| blondie505 | Fold | ||||
| Dlow21 | Fold | ||||
| Enut | Raise | 800.00 | 1400.00 | 10360.00 | |
| RUTSTER19 | Fold | ||||
| chicknMelt | Call | 400.00 | 1800.00 | 19355.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| chicknMelt | Check | ||||
| Enut | Bet | 800.00 | 2600.00 | 9560.00 | |
| chicknMelt | Raise | 2600.00 | 5200.00 | 16755.00 | |
Comments
Hopefully Andy @chicknMelt and some of the other guys will help you (us all) more, especially if Melty tells you what he had
Had virtually the same set up again later in the session and made the same mistake, got it all in with nut flush draw (that time) and straight draw, hit the turn to go miles ahead and then the board paired on the river again.
I'm guessing the way forward is to call and reassess.
Why would the river card going against you determine the best way to play hands?
You've got good equity against almost any range, and you only have 25bb behind and no ICM issues, that I think getting it in here on the flop to maximise your equity is pretty standard.
You're gonna run into a set or the A high flush draw occasionally, that's just poker. A combo draw vs a set when playing relatively short stacked is gonna result in both parties getting their chips in.
If you were deeper, or on/near the bubble, or it was a sat then yeah it could play out differently.
I'm not entirely sure what there is to re-evaluate or reassess on the turn? You've raised QJs and got about the best flop possible for your hand and you're getting action; in it goes and realise your equity.
I'd probably lean towards call here since you can sometimes be in bad shape vs nut flush draws if your jam is called (A 9clubs for instance), this way we also keep in some other bluffs from vill, such as Q J or J Tspades, and could then choose to raise or call certain turns leveraging our position to our advantage going forward.
I imagine most people don't check the forum every day hence why some others had not replied, I definitely don't!
Hope this helps.
Ask yourself the question what are you expecting him to fold?
All I see fold are hands already worse than yours unless you can see chicken melt X/R with his Ax without flush draw, 2x and 9x.
If you had JTs or it Qx flush with a 8 or lower then I'm jamming because chicken melt will have more GS and 1 less Axs therefore your fold equity increases and you are getting worse to fold.
Surely the point is not to get him to fold but as Hhy has said realising your equity here Oli makes the point of running into the ace flush draw, but given how cra p I am at playing streets I shove flop almost 100%
It's a position that, at the moment, I seem to either lose the maximum (by going all in, getting called and then not getting a favorable run out) or or win the minimum (by calling, hitting and then getting no further action). This is why i posted it really. If only there was a way of losing the minimum or winning the max eh?
GOOD LUCK
He should be 3 betting quite a bit more than flopped sets when you are both in the blinds and he must raise fold enough other hands we flip with? It feels like there aren't even many sets in his range, as I think people are likely to raise more with pairs than just call when blind vs blind.
Speaking personally, raise calling here and having to fold the turn after losing a chunk of my chips would probably make me more likely to tilt than what has happened here.
People saying to call and re-assess on turn, I'm not entirely sure why. You might do that if you had AA/AK/KQ type made hands, but even though you have a monster combo draw you still only Q high and almost no showdown value. Whilst flatting might keep in some of Melts semi bluffs, we also only have a semi bluff. In that instance the first to go for the jugular will often take the pot. It's so meh when the turn bricks and you get put all in, or effectively all in.
I think if this is a spot you don't want to pile your chips in, then you should consider checking back the flop and exercising pot control.
In reality, given the lack of stack depth and the 2 hands involved, this was all going in on the flop.
At 40BB deep then it becomes a call the difference here is villian will be able to RRAI his nutted value combos allowing him to extract maximum value from your draws, he will not be happy stacking off the weaker draws and it will prevent him making mistakes on later street. You plan hear is call most your range on flop and then evaluate whether or not to call or raise AI on turn depending whether or not you think villian will bluff river.
But never that bad to shove a hand with so much equity on the flop. It does suck if we call and he jams a brick turn.