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Try another flavour of "news"?

somniatissomniatis Member Posts: 219
edited January 2022 in The Rail

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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    1. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/uk-column/
    2. Online publications are a lot like UK newspapers. They tend to cater for their readership. Not for me, but am sure that the more dedicated conspiracy theorists out there would lap some of this up
    3. Your link doesn't work
  • somniatissomniatis Member Posts: 219
    Who is fact checking the BBC, CNN et al? Are they above scrutiny? The BBC covered up Jimmy Savile and others, so they should definitely be "Fact checked" on everything, right? CNN knowing lied, about ivermectin, so they should be fact checked right?

    Who checks the fact checkers? Who pays to run, fund and organise these "fact checking sites". It wouldn't be the government or a public relations company per chance, would it?

    Off you go now and find out all about "fact checking" and why that is a thing and free speech isn't.

    I'm sure you're smart enough to type " UK Column news" into a search engine, I'd also put money on the fact that you are using Google as your search engine, right? Try Duckduckgo instead.

    try this link.

    https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-7th-january-2022

    Yes and correct they all have their own agenda. You are currently listening to and reading one agenda, why not try another flavour?

    None are true all have their own biases, but if you look at enough different sources you can come to a reasonably informed decision.

    By the way "conspiracy theorist" is a derogative term similar to, rats, vermin and gypsies and that's how the 3rd Reich started their policy of dehumanisation. Less name calling please.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,670
    edited January 2022
    somniatis said:

    Who is fact checking the BBC, CNN et al? Are they above scrutiny? The BBC covered up Jimmy Savile and others, so they should definitely be "Fact checked" on everything, right? CNN knowing lied, about ivermectin, so they should be fact checked right?

    Who checks the fact checkers? Who pays to run, fund and organise these "fact checking sites". It wouldn't be the government or a public relations company per chance, would it?

    Off you go now and find out all about "fact checking" and why that is a thing and free speech isn't.

    I'm sure you're smart enough to type " UK Column news" into a search engine, I'd also put money on the fact that you are using Google as your search engine, right? Try Duckduckgo instead.

    try this link.

    https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-7th-january-2022

    Yes and correct they all have their own agenda. You are currently listening to and reading one agenda, why not try another flavour?

    None are true all have their own biases, but if you look at enough different sources you can come to a reasonably informed decision.

    By the way "conspiracy theorist" is a derogative term similar to, rats, vermin and gypsies and that's how the 3rd Reich started their policy of dehumanisation. Less name calling please.


    Wow.

    Such irony...

    First up, it's "Gypsies" not gypsies.

    And let's not use groupings such as "rats, vermins & gypsies" please. That's a seriously bad look which I hope was accidental.


  • somniatissomniatis Member Posts: 219
    I usually choose not argue with Hobbie Bobbies even if they are being pedantic. But I'll bite for a change.

    I refer you back to "10 stages of genocide" which you obviously didn't read.

    Dehumanising and using derogative terms to describe people and their beliefs is nothing to be proud of. You are just as guilty, perhaps that's why you decided to defend the indefensible?
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    somniatis said:

    I usually choose not argue with Hobbie Bobbies even if they are being pedantic. But I'll bite for a change.

    I refer you back to "10 stages of genocide" which you obviously didn't read.

    Dehumanising and using derogative terms to describe people and their beliefs is nothing to be proud of. You are just as guilty, perhaps that's why you decided to defend the indefensible?

    What is dehumanising/derogative about "conspiracy theorist"? It is a statement of fact-various people believe the theory that the established order try and hide and/or distort various facts as a conspiracy for their own ends. I quite enjoy reading various of them. I even think some are true.

    Your "10 stages of genocide"? Intellectually, interesting. The really difficult bit is deciding where and when it applies. Brave statement to be confident that you know better than me whether I read it.

    On a separate note, I am part Gypsy. Consequently, I can be quite sensitive about the actions of the Third Reich.
  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,686
    Essexphil said:

    somniatis said:

    I usually choose not argue with Hobbie Bobbies even if they are being pedantic. But I'll bite for a change.

    I refer you back to "10 stages of genocide" which you obviously didn't read.

    Dehumanising and using derogative terms to describe people and their beliefs is nothing to be proud of. You are just as guilty, perhaps that's why you decided to defend the indefensible?

    What is dehumanising/derogative about "conspiracy theorist"? It is a statement of fact-various people believe the theory that the established order try and hide and/or distort various facts as a conspiracy for their own ends. I quite enjoy reading various of them. I even think some are true.

    Your "10 stages of genocide"? Intellectually, interesting. The really difficult bit is deciding where and when it applies. Brave statement to be confident that you know better than me whether I read it.

    On a separate note, I am part Gypsy. Consequently, I can be quite sensitive about the actions of the Third Reich.
    +1
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    We Exposed the UK's Leading Anti-Vaxxer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u34rnwBnll4


    Headliners: Piers Corbyn 'the second most hated Corbyn and arguably the most hated Piers'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_eabTDwZVY
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    edited January 2022
    somniatis said:

    Who is fact checking the BBC, CNN et al? Are they above scrutiny? The BBC covered up Jimmy Savile and others, so they should definitely be "Fact checked" on everything, right? CNN knowing lied, about ivermectin, so they should be fact checked right?

    Who checks the fact checkers? Who pays to run, fund and organise these "fact checking sites". It wouldn't be the government or a public relations company per chance, would it?

    Off you go now and find out all about "fact checking" and why that is a thing and free speech isn't.

    I'm sure you're smart enough to type " UK Column news" into a search engine, I'd also put money on the fact that you are using Google as your search engine, right? Try Duckduckgo instead.

    try this link.

    https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-7th-january-2022

    Yes and correct they all have their own agenda. You are currently listening to and reading one agenda, why not try another flavour?

    None are true all have their own biases, but if you look at enough different sources you can come to a reasonably informed decision.

    By the way "conspiracy theorist" is a derogative term similar to, rats, vermin and gypsies and that's how the 3rd Reich started their policy of dehumanisation. Less name calling please.

    HOME UK COLUMN
    UK Column
    Last updated on April 26th, 2021 at 01:52 pm



    UK Column - Conspiracy - Fake News - Not Credible - Right BiasUK Column - Pseudoscience - Right Bias - Fake News - Not CredibleFactual Reporting: Low - Not Credible - Not Reliable - Fake News - Bias
    CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE
    Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence. These sources may be untrustworthy for credible/verifiable information; therefore, fact-checking and further investigation is recommended on a per article basis when obtaining information from these sources. See all Conspiracy-Pseudoscience sources.

    Overall, we rate the UK Column a strong right-wing biased conspiracy website that frequently promotes false or misleading information.
    Detailed Report
    Bias Rating: RIGHT CONSPIRACY
    Factual Reporting: LOW
    Country: United Kingdom (35/180 Press Freedom)
    Media Type: Newspaper
    Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
    MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY


    History
    The UK Column is an alternative multimedia news website and associated British news pamphlet launched in January 2006. UK Column is headquartered in Plymouth in South West England. Mike Robinson is editor of the UK Column, and Brian Gerrish is the Author/Editor/Owner of the UK Column Newspaper. Further, Brian Gerrish has appeared on US conspiracy theorist Alex Jones show.

    Read our profile on UK Media and Government.

    Funded by / Ownership
    The UK Column does not clearly disclose ownership; however, Brian Gerrish claims to be the owner. Revenue is derived through advertising, paid membership, and donations.

    Analysis / Bias
    In review, UK Column uses loaded language both in their headlines and articles such as: ”Cameron and Obama’s Hired Thugs Now Butchering Their Way Through Syria.” This article, like many on the website, does not link to a single source. However, they sometimes utilize credible sources such as the NY Times, gov.uk and questionable sources such as the Daily Mail and conspiracy sites such as 21st Century Wire: “White Helmets.” When covering USA politics, the UK Column favors Donald Trump and his policies. They also promote conspiracy theories such as the New World Order, False Flag Operations, and World War 3. While the UK Column does produce credible, well-sourced news, they also promote conspiracy theories.


    During the Coronavirus pandemic of 2020, they frequently published misinformation such as Lockdown Deaths, Not Covid Deaths. In this article, they state, “COVID-19 has been circulating for at least a year, and yet there was no notable increase in unseasonable mortality anywhere until Lockdown regimes were imposed between late February and late March 2020.” This statement is false as lockdowns have saved numerous lives. They have also promoted anti-mask propaganda with this statement, “Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever. Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signaling. They’re not even worn most of the time effectively.” This also is not true. In general, the UK Column is not a credible source of information that routinely publishes right-wing conspiracy theories.

    Failed Fact Checks
    21 people were dying daily of Covid-19 in October in England. – False
    Overall, we rate the UK Column a strong right-wing biased conspiracy website that frequently promotes false or misleading information. (M. Huitsing 11/27/2017) Updated (2/05/2021)

    Source: https://www.ukcolumn.org

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/uk-column/
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    The UK column news has been spot on more often that not, you can’t say that about the MSM.
    Why does Tikay not fact check the posts by Haysie?
    If you think several of us post conspiracies without even checking, then why not check Haysies posts out?
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    The blind think that fact checkers are independent.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    The BBC tries to be impartial. It doesn't always succeed. But it does try.

    That is why, in addition to the Right believing it is Left Wing, the Left have always believed it is Right Wing. Which, logically, means that the BBC is doing something right.

    The reality is that the BBC is (or at least tries very hard to be) centrist. So-it positions itself to the left of Right Wing thinkers, and vice versa.

    You do not get a more "balanced" view by only adding someone more in line with your own thinking. Doesn't matter what your politics are. If you want to try and achieve "balance", that will only be achieved if you look at websites from BOTH sides of the spectrum.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    Essexphil said:

    The BBC tries to be impartial. It doesn't always succeed. But it does try.

    That is why, in addition to the Right believing it is Left Wing, the Left have always believed it is Right Wing. Which, logically, means that the BBC is doing something right.

    The reality is that the BBC is (or at least tries very hard to be) centrist. So-it positions itself to the left of Right Wing thinkers, and vice versa.

    You do not get a more "balanced" view by only adding someone more in line with your own thinking. Doesn't matter what your politics are. If you want to try and achieve "balance", that will only be achieved if you look at websites from BOTH sides of the spectrum.

    You don’t need balance,just the truth,regarding news.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    chilling said:

    Essexphil said:

    The BBC tries to be impartial. It doesn't always succeed. But it does try.

    That is why, in addition to the Right believing it is Left Wing, the Left have always believed it is Right Wing. Which, logically, means that the BBC is doing something right.

    The reality is that the BBC is (or at least tries very hard to be) centrist. So-it positions itself to the left of Right Wing thinkers, and vice versa.

    You do not get a more "balanced" view by only adding someone more in line with your own thinking. Doesn't matter what your politics are. If you want to try and achieve "balance", that will only be achieved if you look at websites from BOTH sides of the spectrum.

    You don’t need balance,just the truth,regarding news.
    That comment just goes to show how naive you are.
  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,686
    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    Essexphil said:

    The BBC tries to be impartial. It doesn't always succeed. But it does try.

    That is why, in addition to the Right believing it is Left Wing, the Left have always believed it is Right Wing. Which, logically, means that the BBC is doing something right.

    The reality is that the BBC is (or at least tries very hard to be) centrist. So-it positions itself to the left of Right Wing thinkers, and vice versa.

    You do not get a more "balanced" view by only adding someone more in line with your own thinking. Doesn't matter what your politics are. If you want to try and achieve "balance", that will only be achieved if you look at websites from BOTH sides of the spectrum.

    You don’t need balance,just the truth,regarding news.
    That comment just goes to show how naive you are.
    OMG I've just agreed with @HAYSIE. Quick barricade the doors and nail pieces of wood across the windows.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    edited January 2022
    somniatis said:

    Who is fact checking the BBC, CNN et al? Are they above scrutiny? The BBC covered up Jimmy Savile and others, so they should definitely be "Fact checked" on everything, right? CNN knowing lied, about ivermectin, so they should be fact checked right?

    Who checks the fact checkers? Who pays to run, fund and organise these "fact checking sites". It wouldn't be the government or a public relations company per chance, would it?

    Off you go now and find out all about "fact checking" and why that is a thing and free speech isn't.

    I'm sure you're smart enough to type " UK Column news" into a search engine, I'd also put money on the fact that you are using Google as your search engine, right? Try Duckduckgo instead.

    try this link.

    https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-7th-january-2022

    Yes and correct they all have their own agenda. You are currently listening to and reading one agenda, why not try another flavour?

    None are true all have their own biases, but if you look at enough different sources you can come to a reasonably informed decision.

    By the way "conspiracy theorist" is a derogative term similar to, rats, vermin and gypsies and that's how the 3rd Reich started their policy of dehumanisation. Less name calling please.

    Got it.
    Well I think I have.
    The mainstream media needs fact checkers.
    All fact checkers are biased.
    Your news sources dont need fact checkers.
    Why is that?
    Do the reporters swear on the bible that they are telling the truth?
    Or are there some unbiased fact checkers out there that only check your sources?
    You assume that everyone on this forum uses Google.
    That is very perceptive as 77% of search engine users worldwide, use Google.
    Therefore a safe bet.
    I fully expect that using an alternative search engine will completely change my life.
    I cant wait.
    Rats are vermin.
    Duplication to include them both in the name calling.

    Rarely have I seen such a condescending post.
    Off you go....................
    Maybe you are smart enough to type on another forum?
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