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Should sports stars be allowed to give it back to fans?
So Kyrie Irving has been fined $50,000 which really is nothing to him. Like his estimated networth is $90 million so that means we are taking less then 0.1% of his networth. He was fined for flipping off Celtic fans because they were shouting abuse at him, Kyrie has a checkered history with the celtics and their is rivalry there. I think I like rivalry in sports and the bants if I can ever attend an NBA game and find myself shouting stuff at players I want them to feel free to shout back its part of the fun grudge and rivalry of the sport the bants and etc.
I think if fans hurl insults at the players, then the players should feel free to hurl insults back at the fans do people agree with me?
I think if fans hurl insults at the players, then the players should feel free to hurl insults back at the fans do people agree with me?
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You are not entitled to "shout stuff" at players-that is abuse. Do you think bystanders should be allowed to hurl insults at you wherever you work?
The sportsmen are not entitled to allow themselves to stoop to the "fans" level. They have to be better than that.
And bookmakers are not allowed to run bets in relation to possible criminal acts.
Sometimes, I think I don't live in the same world as you.
I do not think there is a single poker player who has played the game for any meaningful period of time online or live who has not taken abuse at some point.
People do not do it live. On the very rare occasions people do, they get thrown out of the Casino. I particularly recall a biggish event in Vegas where a person was abusive to a dealer on my table and was ejected before the first hand. And lost his entry fee. Quite right, too.
I think in most cases it depends on exactly what was said and how etc. Like if Racial slurs are thrown around that is totally not on. Luke Shautz calling tom Dwan an Autistic **** was not on.
people physically threatening or swearing at someone in a way that could be taken as physical intimidation is not on.
Booing someone at a sports game is not a big deal, and a player flipping fans of is just funny.
If he actually did assault a fan yes that would be totally unacceptable. One bookie once had odds on a footballer to bite someone in a game and then he actually did. So a booky offering odds on this sort of thing is not totally unheard of.
Banter could be said to be between people who know each other , the “fans” certainly don’t know the players of any sport .
Even banter can go too far, and when people know each other it is common for one to apologise if they understand their friends weaknesses.
It’s a fine line between throwing insults and hooliganism.
I can remember being one of about 100 Stafford Rangers followers who were stood almost at touching distance behind the goal occupied by a Belper Town goalkeeper who obviously liked his food.
The stick he received over his weight was merciless although not nasty, he responded with some brilliant ripostes and some great saves and at the end of the game he shook hands with several of us and was applauded for his part in the afternoons game.
That to me was banter, it was funny rather than vicious, during one break in play he pretended to eat and drink and after one superb save turned to us smiling and rubbing his belly and asked if we had any pies.
To me that's banter and is acceptable.
However the line between banter and abuse is a very fine one.
I got called everything during my door working life and to me that came with the job and really was water off a ducks back. Some was funny, some, brutal and some just plain nasty. No worries the abusers were just after a reaction.
The only time I ever reacted was when the abuse contained threats that I believed were genuine and I think that with that type of abuse it's markedly different.
Do I as a fan have the right to tell a player his/ her performance is cr4p and he/ she is a playing like a total nob/ camel toe? Yes.
Do I have the right to step outside those parameters? NO that's not relevant to any criticism.
Should a player engage a fan or fans probably not, let your performance do the talking for you.
He was Boston Celtics star player and they thought he was going to lead the team to championships his contract was running out and they thought he was going to re sign with them they based their plans on him re signing with them. Kyrie promised he was going to re sign with them. Then when his contact ran out he delayed and at the last minute ran off and signed with the Brooklyn nets.
The Celtic fans have never forgiven him and every time he has to play the Celtics and turns up in their arena he gets abuse fans yell insults at him and Haress him with chants throughout the game. On one occasion fans threw bottles of water at him which is totally not on they should have been banned from all future games and criminally charge because that is actual assault.
However I think if the fans love to hate on a player that can be part of the atmosphere and entertainment he is like the pantomime villain there. I think also he should be entitled to taunt the fans too.
I find this rivalry really entertaining I love this sought of stuff and will be making an effort to watch every single game of the nets vs Celtics series. I am not really too fussed who wins I just want the epic rivalry I hope that it comes down to the wire and a final shot deciding the fate in a 4-3 series. (basketball playoff series are best of seven games and the loser is eliminated from the playoffs) I also hope that however it goes one side is a bad winner EG if Kyrie Irving gets the game winning shot that sends the Celtics out I hope he does the tease bye bye hand wavering jesture to the Celtic fans or the fake cry or the flipping off. conversely if the Celtics win I hope they hold up signs that say bye bye Kyrie or something to that effect.
Note I said Vegan because Kyrie Irving is a Vegan.
I love rivalry in sport and characters. Kyrie Irving is a polarising character who my girlfriend hates. So I find all this very entertaining.
My girlfriend dislikes Vegans, creationists, anti vaxers and flat earthers. Irving fits all of these categories.
That's way beyond random.