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Boris Becker 30 Months.

HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
edited April 2022 in The Rail
Tennis legend Boris Becker says tearful goodbyes to his lover, his ex and and his son as he faces possible seven-year jail term for fraud TOMORROW



The prospect of jail appears to weighing heavy on Boris Becker as he looked teary-eyed and forlorn ahead of being sentenced tomorrow. The three-time Wimbledon champion, 54, is facing up to seven years in prison after concealing hundreds of thousands of pounds following his bankruptcy. He was hugged by his girlfriend Lilian de Carvalho Monteiro yesterday after spending ‘family time’ with his son and estranged wife Lilly Becker days earlier. The German star-turned-commentator was found guilty of four charges under the Insolvency Act in a trial this month. A London court heard he transferred £350,000 to other accounts, hid a property in Germany and failed to declare 75,000 shares in an IT firm and a £700,000 loan. The father-of-four was legally obliged to disclose all his assets after being declared bankrupt in 2017.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10760765/Boris-Beckers-farewell-Tennis-legend-says-tearful-goodbyes-lovers-faces-possible-jail.html
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    7 years is the maximum penalty. Unless the World has gone even madder than I thought, he is not likely to get 7 years.

    His offences are quite serious. But there have been far worse offences than this in the past, involving far more money.

    He might go to prison. But 7 years is rather unlikely...
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  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,061
    Does not warrant jail, only money involved, so community service ie, removing House of Commons Bar and installing baby changing facilities instead ..... cough!
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    Essexphil said:

    7 years is the maximum penalty. Unless the World has gone even madder than I thought, he is not likely to get 7 years.

    His offences are quite serious. But there have been far worse offences than this in the past, involving far more money.

    He might go to prison. But 7 years is rather unlikely...

    Do you think he will?
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    edited April 2022
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    7 years is the maximum penalty. Unless the World has gone even madder than I thought, he is not likely to get 7 years.

    His offences are quite serious. But there have been far worse offences than this in the past, involving far more money.

    He might go to prison. But 7 years is rather unlikely...

    Do you think he will?
    Going to be close.

    Might get Community Penalty. Might well get Suspended Sentence. But think it is 60-40 he will get a prison sentence.

    Mind you, I'm often wrong :)
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  • DoublemeDoubleme Member Posts: 2,150
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    7 years is the maximum penalty. Unless the World has gone even madder than I thought, he is not likely to get 7 years.

    His offences are quite serious. But there have been far worse offences than this in the past, involving far more money.

    He might go to prison. But 7 years is rather unlikely...

    Do you think he will?
    Going to be close.

    Might get Community Penalty. Might well get Suspended Sentence. But think it is 60-40 he will get a prison sentence.

    Mind you, I'm often wrong :)
    the way you said it though you can't be wrong. If you say 60 40 then your saying 60% chance he does 40% chance he does not.

    So hypothetically assuming he does not who says your wrong you said their was a 40% chance that could happen not 0%.

    its like when the bookies say this is favorite for event A with x chance of winning etc. They are not wrong they gave a probability not a definitive prediction.

    the way you would be found wrong is if we collected a large sample of all your probability calculations and did a statistics test to work out if there was statistically significant evidence that your predictions varied from actuality. Of course we would need the right power for the test to avoid a type 2 error. So would likely need a larger sample of your predictions then you would likely make in a lifetime on the forums.
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  • DoublemeDoubleme Member Posts: 2,150
    note I often get type 1 and type 2 errors mixed up one of few weakness in statistics. so if I have here my bad.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,724
    Doubleme said:

    note I often get type 1 and type 2 errors mixed up one of few weakness in statistics. so if I have here my bad.

    @Doubleme

    Here you go, no need to thank me.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_I_and_type_II_errors
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  • kapowblamzkapowblamz Member Posts: 1,586
    I would bet he does get a small-ish sentence based on his past history.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    edited April 2022
    Doubleme said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    7 years is the maximum penalty. Unless the World has gone even madder than I thought, he is not likely to get 7 years.

    His offences are quite serious. But there have been far worse offences than this in the past, involving far more money.

    He might go to prison. But 7 years is rather unlikely...

    Do you think he will?
    Going to be close.

    Might get Community Penalty. Might well get Suspended Sentence. But think it is 60-40 he will get a prison sentence.

    Mind you, I'm often wrong :)
    the way you said it though you can't be wrong. If you say 60 40 then your saying 60% chance he does 40% chance he does not.

    So hypothetically assuming he does not who says your wrong you said their was a 40% chance that could happen not 0%.

    its like when the bookies say this is favorite for event A with x chance of winning etc. They are not wrong they gave a probability not a definitive prediction.

    the way you would be found wrong is if we collected a large sample of all your probability calculations and did a statistics test to work out if there was statistically significant evidence that your predictions varied from actuality. Of course we would need the right power for the test to avoid a type 2 error. So would likely need a larger sample of your predictions then you would likely make in a lifetime on the forums.
    I don't think you comprehend the range, or indeed where my hypothesis actually sits.

    The range is far larger than will he/won't he go to prison. The range is, in short (from low to high):-

    1. Absolute Discharge
    2. Conditional Discharge
    3. Fine
    4. Community Penalty-Probation
    5. Community Penalty-Community Service
    6. Suspended Prison Sentence
    7. Short Prison sentence
    8. Long prison sentence

    There are always variables-some known, some not.
    Known minus factors-fairly large sums hidden (about £2million), Not Guilty Plea
    Known plus factors-not done it before, already received massive extra penalty via non-discharge from Bankruptcy, 12-year Bankruptcy Restriction Undertaking, running to 2031.
    Unknown:pre-sentencing report.

    I an saying, on limited facts known to me, likeliest is 7, then 6, then 5/8, rest very unlikely.

    I could be wrong in that. That's why I am saying that.

    Could be I don't express myself clearly enough.

    Or it could be that you make incorrect statistical calculations based on your incorrect assumptions on what I meant.
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  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,686
    Or the teddy bears have accessed the laptop again.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    TheEdge949 said:

    Or the teddy bears have accessed the laptop again.

    I'm awaiting the sale of "Free Winni Mandela" t-shirts...
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    Essexphil said:

    TheEdge949 said:

    Or the teddy bears have accessed the laptop again.

    I'm awaiting the sale of "Free Winni Mandela" t-shirts...
    Thats why the girl on the sausage counter remembered him.
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  • DoublemeDoubleme Member Posts: 2,150
    actually the Sausage store was a time before the Winnis or BWE for before Winni era.
    I have always liked to give personalities to toys or teddys etc. a lot of people keep referencing Jeff Dunnin to me and to be fair I would love to do what he does for a living.

    Just I suck as a ventriloquist. I was going to find a silly of when someone deliberately did the water drinking badly and just blabbered when they tried it with a dummy for a funny link but cant find it but basically that would be me. I can do the wacky personality easily just not the lips not moving thing.

    If I actually do win a vegas trip through any of the promos though I can promise to give it a go at some open mic night thing out there for a laugh.

    There was a girl I was seeing before I ended up with My girlfriend had I ended up with her instead, things would have been very different. She loved Hello Kitty's instead of Winni who my girlfriend loves. So it would have been Hello Kittys and not Winnis in that world but careful with that the very idea can make Winnis very upset.

    In all serious though whilst yes I like to be silly and am been silly, Statistics been misunderstood by the population is something that bothers me and so I am semi serious here.

    If the weather man says there is an 85% chance of rain tomorrow and it does not rain tomorrow does not mean the weather man was wrong. they said 85% chance not 100%. actually Weather forecasts are usually highly accurate despite the stereo type of them been wrong. Just a large section of the public seem to think if I say 51%+ chance this translates to 100% absolute certainty that event A will happen. and if I say 49%< they think this means 0% chance event A will happen.





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  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,686
    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE COME BACK ZEN BUDDHIST ALL IS FORGIVEN
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    Boris Becker is JAILED for TWO YEARS and SIX MONTHS: Tennis ace is sent down over £700,000 bankruptcy fraud



    Three-time Wimbledon champion Boris Becker was today sentenced for flouting the terms of his bankruptcy by hiding £2.5 million worth of assets and loans to avoid paying his debts. The 54-year-old former world number one tennis player was declared bankrupt in June 2017, owing creditors almost £50million over an unpaid loan of more than £3million on his estate in Mallorca, Spain. BBC commentator Becker, who is a father-of-four, transferred around £390,000 from his business account to others, including those of his ex-wife Barbara Becker and estranged wife Sharlely 'Lilly' Becker. He also failed to declare his share in a £1 million property in his home town of Leimen, Germany, hid a bank loan of almost £700,000 - worth £1.1million with interest - and concealed 75,000 shares in a tech firm, valued at £66,000. Becker, who got a two-year suspended sentence for tax evasion and attempted tax evasion worth £1.4million in Germany in 2002, was found guilty on April 8 of four Insolvency Act offences between June and October 2017. Each count carried a maximum sentence of seven years' imprisonment and Judge Deborah Taylor sentenced the six-time Grand Slam champion at Southwark Crown Court this afternoon.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10767757/Boris-Becker-sentencing-Tennis-star-jailed-two-years-bankruptcy-offences.html
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    HAYSIE said:

    Boris Becker is JAILED for TWO YEARS and SIX MONTHS: Tennis ace is sent down over £700,000 bankruptcy fraud



    Three-time Wimbledon champion Boris Becker was today sentenced for flouting the terms of his bankruptcy by hiding £2.5 million worth of assets and loans to avoid paying his debts. The 54-year-old former world number one tennis player was declared bankrupt in June 2017, owing creditors almost £50million over an unpaid loan of more than £3million on his estate in Mallorca, Spain. BBC commentator Becker, who is a father-of-four, transferred around £390,000 from his business account to others, including those of his ex-wife Barbara Becker and estranged wife Sharlely 'Lilly' Becker. He also failed to declare his share in a £1 million property in his home town of Leimen, Germany, hid a bank loan of almost £700,000 - worth £1.1million with interest - and concealed 75,000 shares in a tech firm, valued at £66,000. Becker, who got a two-year suspended sentence for tax evasion and attempted tax evasion worth £1.4million in Germany in 2002, was found guilty on April 8 of four Insolvency Act offences between June and October 2017. Each count carried a maximum sentence of seven years' imprisonment and Judge Deborah Taylor sentenced the six-time Grand Slam champion at Southwark Crown Court this afternoon.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10767757/Boris-Becker-sentencing-Tennis-star-jailed-two-years-bankruptcy-offences.html

    Longer than my guess.

    But the Law is complex with regard to previous convictions before any finding of guilt. And the bit I have put in bold above would most certainly have increased his sentence this time.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Boris Becker is JAILED for TWO YEARS and SIX MONTHS: Tennis ace is sent down over £700,000 bankruptcy fraud



    Three-time Wimbledon champion Boris Becker was today sentenced for flouting the terms of his bankruptcy by hiding £2.5 million worth of assets and loans to avoid paying his debts. The 54-year-old former world number one tennis player was declared bankrupt in June 2017, owing creditors almost £50million over an unpaid loan of more than £3million on his estate in Mallorca, Spain. BBC commentator Becker, who is a father-of-four, transferred around £390,000 from his business account to others, including those of his ex-wife Barbara Becker and estranged wife Sharlely 'Lilly' Becker. He also failed to declare his share in a £1 million property in his home town of Leimen, Germany, hid a bank loan of almost £700,000 - worth £1.1million with interest - and concealed 75,000 shares in a tech firm, valued at £66,000. Becker, who got a two-year suspended sentence for tax evasion and attempted tax evasion worth £1.4million in Germany in 2002, was found guilty on April 8 of four Insolvency Act offences between June and October 2017. Each count carried a maximum sentence of seven years' imprisonment and Judge Deborah Taylor sentenced the six-time Grand Slam champion at Southwark Crown Court this afternoon.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10767757/Boris-Becker-sentencing-Tennis-star-jailed-two-years-bankruptcy-offences.html

    Longer than my guess.

    But the Law is complex with regard to previous convictions before any finding of guilt. And the bit I have put in bold above would most certainly have increased his sentence this time.

    It wouldnt have helped.
    So it wasnt Ben Wallace or a Cabinet Minister.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    edited April 2022
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Boris Becker is JAILED for TWO YEARS and SIX MONTHS: Tennis ace is sent down over £700,000 bankruptcy fraud



    Three-time Wimbledon champion Boris Becker was today sentenced for flouting the terms of his bankruptcy by hiding £2.5 million worth of assets and loans to avoid paying his debts. The 54-year-old former world number one tennis player was declared bankrupt in June 2017, owing creditors almost £50million over an unpaid loan of more than £3million on his estate in Mallorca, Spain. BBC commentator Becker, who is a father-of-four, transferred around £390,000 from his business account to others, including those of his ex-wife Barbara Becker and estranged wife Sharlely 'Lilly' Becker. He also failed to declare his share in a £1 million property in his home town of Leimen, Germany, hid a bank loan of almost £700,000 - worth £1.1million with interest - and concealed 75,000 shares in a tech firm, valued at £66,000. Becker, who got a two-year suspended sentence for tax evasion and attempted tax evasion worth £1.4million in Germany in 2002, was found guilty on April 8 of four Insolvency Act offences between June and October 2017. Each count carried a maximum sentence of seven years' imprisonment and Judge Deborah Taylor sentenced the six-time Grand Slam champion at Southwark Crown Court this afternoon.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10767757/Boris-Becker-sentencing-Tennis-star-jailed-two-years-bankruptcy-offences.html

    Longer than my guess.

    But the Law is complex with regard to previous convictions before any finding of guilt. And the bit I have put in bold above would most certainly have increased his sentence this time.

    It wouldnt have helped.
    So it wasnt Ben Wallace or a Cabinet Minister.
    Feel quite sorry for Ben Wallace.

    Had clients in that position in the past. There is no easy solution.

    I have tended to advise that-

    "Do you want to be known primarily as a Minister, or as the man who definitely wasn't that man who watched po rn in Parliament, honest..."

    Because winning a Defamation case can be a distinctly pyrrhic victory.

    PS-people in Mr Becker's position are always advised to take children with them to Court to try and avoid a prison sentence...
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,885
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Boris Becker is JAILED for TWO YEARS and SIX MONTHS: Tennis ace is sent down over £700,000 bankruptcy fraud



    Three-time Wimbledon champion Boris Becker was today sentenced for flouting the terms of his bankruptcy by hiding £2.5 million worth of assets and loans to avoid paying his debts. The 54-year-old former world number one tennis player was declared bankrupt in June 2017, owing creditors almost £50million over an unpaid loan of more than £3million on his estate in Mallorca, Spain. BBC commentator Becker, who is a father-of-four, transferred around £390,000 from his business account to others, including those of his ex-wife Barbara Becker and estranged wife Sharlely 'Lilly' Becker. He also failed to declare his share in a £1 million property in his home town of Leimen, Germany, hid a bank loan of almost £700,000 - worth £1.1million with interest - and concealed 75,000 shares in a tech firm, valued at £66,000. Becker, who got a two-year suspended sentence for tax evasion and attempted tax evasion worth £1.4million in Germany in 2002, was found guilty on April 8 of four Insolvency Act offences between June and October 2017. Each count carried a maximum sentence of seven years' imprisonment and Judge Deborah Taylor sentenced the six-time Grand Slam champion at Southwark Crown Court this afternoon.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10767757/Boris-Becker-sentencing-Tennis-star-jailed-two-years-bankruptcy-offences.html

    Longer than my guess.

    But the Law is complex with regard to previous convictions before any finding of guilt. And the bit I have put in bold above would most certainly have increased his sentence this time.

    It wouldnt have helped.
    So it wasnt Ben Wallace or a Cabinet Minister.
    Feel quite sorry for Ben Wallace.

    Had clients in that position in the past. There is no easy solution.

    I have tended to advise that-

    "Do you want to be known primarily as a Minister, or as the man who definitely wasn't that man who watched po rn in Parliament, honest..."

    Because winning a Defamation case can be a distinctly pyrrhic victory.

    PS-people in Mr Becker's position are always advised to take children with them to Court to try and avoid a prison sentence...
    At least they have named him now.
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