Hand of the day

TheWaddy

15 June hand of the day

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Hogwartz	Small blind		30.00	30.00	1210.00
TheWaddy	Big blind		60.00	90.00	1700.00
	Your hole cards	10 K 9 K
Hogwartz	Call		30.00	120.00	1180.00
TheWaddy	Check
Flop
		6 A K
TheWaddy	Check
Hogwartz	Bet		60.00	180.00	1120.00
TheWaddy	Call		60.00	240.00	1640.00
Turn
		8
TheWaddy	Check
Hogwartz	Check
River
		6
TheWaddy	Bet		240.00	480.00	1400.00
Hogwartz	Raise		960.00	1440.00	160.00
TheWaddy	All-in		1400.00	2840.00	0.00
Hogwartz	All-in		160.00	3000.00	0.00
TheWaddy	Unmatched bet		520.00	2480.00	520.00
Hogwartz	Show	J 6 6 4
TheWaddy	Show	10 K 9 K
Hogwartz	Win high	Four 6s	2480.00		2480.00
	No qualifying low hand

Kinda6677

You tried to trap and lost

Essexphil

That is the best "unlucky" hand you could come up with? Really?

Can see why you just called on that flop. You are behind to any flush, and AA. There are 2 cards to a low, and you have no low.

The turn means that a whole bunch of low hands have got there. Seriously-what actual hands are you beating there? I can see a lot of chops. But precious few scoops. So-again-you check call. As (IMHO) any competent player should.

The river is unlucky, in that he has the 1 hand you were beating that overtakes you. But you still have no Low. You are still behind to AA and 66.

You could have check-called. But you went all-in with the 3rd best High hand. And no Low. You potted, and then repotted a pot-sized raise-how often are you ahead there? Again-I see a lot of chops in his range. But how many players are going to repot with no low and a high worse than yours?

Which can happen. But are you sure you played that River correctly? Check-call or half pot & call seem the way to go there.

And that merits "hand of the day"?

TheWaddy

yes i think it was hand of the day just for the 1 out, i thought it would attract a scrutiny of play.... or should i say guarantee it. Where did i say i was unlucky!?

Its micro stakes PLO8 Phil, they would do this with a flush, nevermind the nut flush.

Just to show a few hands earlier the magic deck produced;

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Hogwartz	Small blind		20.00	20.00	1700.00
TheWaddy	Big blind		40.00	60.00	1240.00
	Your hole cards	9 Q 8 9
Hogwartz	Call		20.00	80.00	1680.00
TheWaddy	Check
Flop
		10 4 9
TheWaddy	Bet		40.00	120.00	1200.00
Hogwartz	Call		40.00	160.00	1640.00
Turn
		4
TheWaddy	Bet		40.00	200.00	1160.00
Hogwartz	Call		40.00	240.00	1600.00
River
		10
TheWaddy	Bet		40.00	280.00	1120.00
Hogwartz	Raise		120.00	400.00	1480.00
TheWaddy	Call		80.00	480.00	1040.00
Hogwartz	Show	4 6 J 9
TheWaddy	Show	9 Q 8 9
TheWaddy	Win high	Full House, 9s and 10s	480.00		1520.00
	No qualifying low hand

As im so terrified of the decks capabilities i just called, if id reraised, he would have gone all in here 100%. Its micro stakes poker Phil, you have to try to think differently to whats correct.

Kinda whos commented here for example, he plays these games and he sees this as me slow playing on an all diamond flop ffs, its not the average hi lo game at micro.

Essexphil

TheWaddy said:

yes i think it was hand of the day just for the 1 out, i thought it would attract a scrutiny of play.... or should i say guarantee it. Where did i say i was unlucky!?

Its micro stakes PLO8 Phil, they would do this with a flush, nevermind the nut flush.

Just to show a few hands earlier the magic deck produced;

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Hogwartz	Small blind		20.00	20.00	1700.00
TheWaddy	Big blind		40.00	60.00	1240.00
	Your hole cards	9 Q 8 9
Hogwartz	Call		20.00	80.00	1680.00
TheWaddy	Check
Flop
		10 4 9
TheWaddy	Bet		40.00	120.00	1200.00
Hogwartz	Call		40.00	160.00	1640.00
Turn
		4
TheWaddy	Bet		40.00	200.00	1160.00
Hogwartz	Call		40.00	240.00	1600.00
River
		10
TheWaddy	Bet		40.00	280.00	1120.00
Hogwartz	Raise		120.00	400.00	1480.00
TheWaddy	Call		80.00	480.00	1040.00
Hogwartz	Show	4 6 J 9
TheWaddy	Show	9 Q 8 9
TheWaddy	Win high	Full House, 9s and 10s	480.00		1520.00
	No qualifying low hand

As im so terrified of the decks capabilities i just called, if id reraised, he would have gone all in here 100%. Its micro stakes poker Phil, you have to try to think differently to whats correct.

Kinda whos commented here for example, he plays these games and he sees this as me slow playing on an all diamond flop ffs, its not the average hi lo game at micro.

I agree with a lot of what you say here. There is always the point in relation to playing the player, rather than "optimally" in a more general sense. The "best" play in a £1 game will certainly differ than at higher buy-ins.

But 4 points do remain.

1. If you believed that the other player would get it all in earlier, then surely the optimal play would be to be rather more aggressive on the flop (not the Turn, obviously)
2. Still think at most a half pot and call on the River is the optimal play
3. I play quite a lot of PLO8-just not much on here. It is certainly common to receive a River card that changes everything. Far more than other variants. It is part of the game's charm
4. It is in the very nature of Heads Up play that a considerably weaker player will win about 25-30% of the time. That is why poker still exists. You believe that you only win about 65% of the time because of the deck. Whereas in reality that is about as good as it gets.

TheWaddy

I agree with u too... it was awful play and the hand before influenced that bad play.

I do maintain heads up against a clueless player at hi lo, is considerably different to hold em and would be really hard to lose 30% of games with a real deck.

1 its a pot limit game and pots can be controlled
2 There is very little all in preflop, which at hold em highly increases an inferiors players luck
3 They will time and time again just be max betting top pair and totally ignoring the lo pot or indeed anything else as they are playing hold em within a hi lo game
4 They simply will never be folding non nut flushes, straights or FH's and will also do so without a low
5 They will chase a flush and 2 pair on an all lo flop, without being able to get a low themselves

There are so many more mistakes to be made at hi lo, that in a slow blind structure, there should be alot of opportunities to be able to exploit. And there is... Except the endless runners just build up combined odds of extreme proportions.

Ayway the post was just for the one out.... will post another tomorrow when it happens.

TheWaddy

Oh and i just played a player called 'Lovey87'. He is sat in the £10/£5 heads up hi lo all day every day. He is a winning player for thousands as far as i know.

He gives me some in the chat box. He had Ad and no other diamond in his hand and called my Kd3d made flush with 3rd best lo draw on turn all in.

In the box hes telling me he still had the nut flush draw on the turn.

Massive winning hi lo player.... doesnt know the rules.... explain that one if you can! Only online......

Jac35

TheWaddy said:

I agree with u too... it was awful play and the hand before influenced that bad play.

I do maintain heads up against a clueless player at hi lo, is considerably different to hold em and would be really hard to lose 30% of games with a real deck.

1 its a pot limit game and pots can be controlled
2 There is very little all in preflop, which at hold em highly increases an inferiors players luck
3 They will time and time again just be max betting top pair and totally ignoring the lo pot or indeed anything else as they are playing hold em within a hi lo game
4 They simply will never be folding non nut flushes, straights or FH's and will also do so without a low
5 They will chase a flush and 2 pair on an all lo flop, without being able to get a low themselves

There are so many more mistakes to be made at hi lo, that in a slow blind structure, there should be alot of opportunities to be able to exploit. And there is... Except the endless runners just build up combined odds of extreme proportions.

Ayway the post was just for the one out.... will post another tomorrow when it happens.

A waste of my time here but here goes

I played a couple of nights ago in the £3 rebuy

Sb limped and i shoved the bb
He snaps and wins with Q2off

10 minutes later i have stacked him 3 times and i’m in great shape

We want the ‘clueless’ players to make mistakes

Yeah sure they’ll win a few hands. That’s fine as we’ll win more over the long run

Bean81

TheWaddy said:

Oh and i just played a player called 'Lovey87'. He is sat in the £10/£5 heads up hi lo all day every day. He is a winning player for thousands as far as i know.

He gives me some in the chat box. He had Ad and no other diamond in his hand and called my Kd3d made flush with 3rd best lo draw on turn all in.

In the box hes telling me he still had the nut flush draw on the turn.

Massive winning hi lo player.... doesnt know the rules.... explain that one if you can! Only online......

Prob misread the hand (he looks like a mass tabler), or was referring to having the nut flush blocker. Or potentially trolling to get more action. He's the biggest winner in the world at low stakes PLO8 in 2022 across all tracked sites, albeit the $$$$ value is tiny and nobody plays volume. Its probably not a bad game to play, given most people are either playing as a misclick or fancy trying 1-2 games for something different without any expectation of winning.

Hitting quads on the river is 1 in 40, which is very close to the odds of rolling a double six. Not a big deal.

If there's no cash games running, I'll swing by a play a few of these. I've always enjoyed learning mixed games.

TheWaddy

I would say one of your explanations is probably correct...

though i have only played him a few times and in the very first game he ended up all in on the first few hands, on a flop of 345 with 55KJ in his hand... i would have to ask, what on earth does he think i have... and secondly i am quite clearly, clearly on a complete freeroll and he has to complete a fh to just get his money back heads up!

I had of course A26K... and a even bigger of course, he did get a FH.

That coupled with the above comment and the money hes made.... surely, surely could only be a 'hustle' attempt where he would suggest higher stakes.

TheWaddy

Hand of the Day June 16

You are playing a guy playing hold em with a hi lo game, where he is going mad for top pair without a low or draw on flops like 456.... You now when he raises flop he likely has the nut straight without a low draw but could simply have top pair as its consistent with his play..... Why does it always feel like they set hands up like these when u playin the very worst? I could fold and wait for better opportunity, but in games like this you generally run dry so id kick myself later if i did.......

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Mcfc1987	Small blind		20.00	20.00	1460.00
TheWaddy	Big blind		40.00	60.00	1480.00
	Your hole cards	7 A 8 3
Mcfc1987	Call		20.00	80.00	1440.00
TheWaddy	Raise		40.00	120.00	1440.00
Mcfc1987	Call		40.00	160.00	1400.00
Flop
		J 8 7
TheWaddy	Bet		120.00	280.00	1320.00
Mcfc1987	Raise		520.00	800.00	880.00
TheWaddy	All-in		1320.00	2120.00	0.00
Mcfc1987	All-in		880.00	3000.00	0.00
TheWaddy	Unmatched bet		40.00	2960.00	40.00
Mcfc1987	Show	9 8 2 10
TheWaddy	Show	7 A 8 3
Turn
		A
River
		K
Mcfc1987	Win high	Straight to the Jack	2960.00		2960.00
	No qualifying low hand

TheWaddy

Hand of the day 2

A long time since i decided to all in preflop against a donk early doors, but i thought id see if anything had changed.... Could he hit flop hard with Qc 4h 3d 5d? ......

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
TheWaddy	Small blind		20.00	20.00	2060.00
lexiboylex	Big blind		40.00	60.00	880.00
	Your hole cards	4 K 2 A
TheWaddy	Raise		60.00	120.00	2000.00
lexiboylex	Raise		200.00	320.00	680.00
TheWaddy	Raise		640.00	960.00	1360.00
lexiboylex	All-in		680.00	1640.00	0.00
TheWaddy	Call		200.00	1840.00	1160.00
TheWaddy	Show	4 K 2 A
lexiboylex	Show	5 4 Q 3
Flop
		6 2 A
Turn
		7
River
		3
lexiboylex	Win high	Flush to the 7	920.00		920.00
lexiboylex	Win low	5-low	920.00		1840.00

Yes i remember now, absolutely do not go all in preflop until blinds are high.... it does not allow giving away. Went on to win game eventually, but this is a typical hand.

Jac35

In hand one
What was purpose of the min raise pre flop after he limps?
What were you trying to achieve with this?

TheWaddy

I tend to min raise rather than max raise as they always. always call that, were they fold alot to max. I want them in the hand. They then will be more likely to stay in the pot with like a pair when i hit, as to them they are invested more.

I guess you just have to know that game as this level to what is best.

TheWaddy

Funniest hand of the day.... never lets u down

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
TheWaddy	Small blind		50.00	50.00	1850.00
Mody	Big blind		100.00	150.00	1940.00
	Your hole cards	Q A
CrazyHorse	Fold
R2d2jnr	Fold
scrumdown	Raise		200.00	350.00	8410.00
Browny27	Call		200.00	550.00	7832.50
TheWaddy	All-in		1850.00	2400.00	0.00
Mody	All-in		1940.00	4340.00	0.00
scrumdown	Raise		8020.00	12360.00	390.00
Browny27	Fold
scrumdown	Unmatched bet		6180.00	6180.00	6570.00
TheWaddy	Show	Q A
Mody	Show	4 9
scrumdown	Show	A A
Flop
		K J 2
Turn
		6
River
		J
Mody	Win	Flush to the King	6180.00		6180.00

TheWaddy

Hand of the day 17 June.... 3 straight flushes (one royal) in less than 40 mins in just 2 Heads up SNGS.... It cos u see more hands online.... i think this was about 90 hands .... i believe its around 6000-1 for just a straight flush... combined odds with the royal?

Just another day online.

TheWaddy said:

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
TheWaddy	Small blind		30.00	30.00	1680.00
tcorleone2	Big blind		60.00	90.00	1230.00
	Your hole cards	Q Q J 8
TheWaddy	Call		30.00	120.00	1650.00
tcorleone2	Check
Flop
		K A 6
tcorleone2	Check
TheWaddy	Check
Turn
		10
tcorleone2	Check
TheWaddy	Bet		90.00	210.00	1560.00
tcorleone2	Fold
TheWaddy	Muck
TheWaddy	Win		120.00		1680.00
TheWaddy	Return		90.00	0.00	1770.00

TheWaddy

TheWaddy said:

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
tcorleone2	Small blind		50.00	50.00	2010.00
TheWaddy	Big blind		100.00	150.00	840.00
	Your hole cards	9 7 Q 5
tcorleone2	Call		50.00	200.00	1960.00
TheWaddy	Check
Flop
		8 K 4
TheWaddy	Check
tcorleone2	Check
Turn
		6
TheWaddy	Bet		100.00	300.00	740.00
tcorleone2	Fold
TheWaddy	Muck
TheWaddy	Win		200.00		940.00
TheWaddy	Return		100.00	0.00	1040.00

TheWaddy

TheWaddy said:

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
LIBBYLOO	Small blind		20.00	20.00	1720.00
TheWaddy	Big blind		40.00	60.00	1220.00
	Your hole cards	K 6 9 Q
LIBBYLOO	Call		20.00	80.00	1700.00
TheWaddy	Check
Flop
		J 8 10
TheWaddy	Bet		40.00	120.00	1180.00
LIBBYLOO	Fold
TheWaddy	Muck
TheWaddy	Win		80.00		1260.00
TheWaddy	Return		40.00	0.00	1300.00

TheWaddy

Its still luricrous if its me winning you see.... no 'you only remember the bad beats' here.....

TheWaddy

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
bev60	Small blind		30.00	30.00	1130.00
TheWaddy	Big blind		60.00	90.00	1780.00
	Your hole cards	5 3 5 4
bev60	Raise		150.00	240.00	980.00
TheWaddy	Call		120.00	360.00	1660.00
Flop
		6 6 4
TheWaddy	Check
bev60	Bet		270.00	630.00	710.00
TheWaddy	Raise		1170.00	1800.00	490.00
bev60	All-in		710.00	2510.00	0.00
TheWaddy	Unmatched bet		190.00	2320.00	680.00
bev60	Show	6 2 8 4
TheWaddy	Show	5 3 5 4
Turn
		K
River
		2
TheWaddy	Win high	Straight Flush to the 6	1160.00		1840.00
TheWaddy	Win low	6-low	1160.00		3000.00