Sky 75% Bounty Structure

Swog

I'm not sure if this has been discussed here before (if so I would love to be linked to the thread) but I was wondering what people's thoughts were on the 75% bounty payout as opposed to the 50% payout that is more typical across other sites?

I feel that the 50% payout would allow the head prizes to remain more relevant as bounty tournaments reach the later stages and thus create more action. With most of the bounties paid and non-ante the games can become dull towards the end, at least where bounties are concerned.

It's possible there are commercial reasons as to why things are as they are and possible software limitations of course.

Is it possible to change the structure of some tournaments to 50% bounty payout? For example, we have 3 x mains each week that are the exact same structure.

Doubleme

I prefer the current 75% structure because I understand the cumulative bounties could make it more exciting later but I have had many nights where I end up quite a bit despite no big cashes because of the bounties I take along the way. The thing that makes sky attractive to me and many others is the much lower variance vs other sites.

Swog

Anyone else got any thoughts?

waller02

@NOSTRI?

TheEdge949

This is where being really bad at poker means that it doesn't matter as 75% of sod all is the same as 50% of sod all.

Actually I prefer the 75% structure as it incentivises calling with marginal holdings, getting lucky and driving the Sky Poker is fixed brigade nuts.

EG. About two weeks ago playing the £400 bh and there's 3 players all in, I have them covered by about 10 bbs and so call with 10 J suited.

A nut flush later and they're all chirping in the chat box as I quietly smirk behind my screen.

If I lost I was still in the game, if I won then I'm freerolling.

MARK277

A couple of reasons as to why I think 75% is better.

Firstly as a site that is more recreational players 75% gives more players a chance of winning some money. If you play lower stakes which I generally play then the 75% can help boost your bankroll. If you min cash the mini you get your buy in back but if you take some heads you have won some more money.

The main reason I personally like the 75% is it possibly allows players to play some higher stakes tourneys with less variance. I have been able to play more this week and have played some higher stakes mostly the mains and have done this knowing that if I take a few heads in the process then its is less damage to the bankroll. Not sure you would get many taking shots if the bounties reduced.

PKRPar

Be nice for them to mix up at least one of the mains to a 50/50.

Would also like to see some £16.50 mtts thrown in the mix.

is there any plans to update the branding / schedule given it's getting a little stale? (I appreciate there are software limitations, but that doesn't stop some innovation).

@Sky_James @Tikay10

Tikay10

PKRPar said:

Be nice for them to mix up at least one of the mains to a 50/50.

Would also like to see some £16.50 mtts thrown in the mix.

is there any plans to update the branding / schedule given it's getting a little stale? (I appreciate there are software limitations, but that doesn't stop some innovation).

@Sky_James @Tikay10

@PKRPar

I'm not party to these things Mr Dour so I'll have to duck that one & leave it to @Sky__James

Shrimpy28

Prefer the 75% over the 50% in general BUT if the software allowed it don't see the harm in introducing it as a slightly different variant to the main, particularly when several of them are the same every week, also right behind the idea of some £16.50 mtt's being thrown in the mix as much as I am keen to see something like an £11 rebuy, whether it was a BH or not being added too, asking for a lot and but a wise man told me if you don't say nothing then nothing will change anyway.

Doooobs

They are already top heavy with the gap between 1st and 2nd prize money, making them 50% will make this worse?

Unless they are moving to make 1st and 2nd the same prize (excluding bounties), best to just leave it? FWIW I don't think there is much difference in the play. Can get lunatics calling on the final table for a 3p bounty everywhere?

Swog

Is there not an argument to say that the regs win more overall with the 75/25 structure? We’ve seen the introduction of the mystery bounties recently, on the basis that recs and regs alike love a big bounty. 50/50 will allow allow bigger bounties as the tournament progresses.

Also, every other site has 75/25 bounty structure… are they all missing something?

Essexphil

I don't think this is important from many angles.

However, variety has to be a good thing. Too many of the Mains are the same. Perhaps 1 with a 75/25, and 1 of the 7 minute blinds changed to a 5?

I also think that narrowing the gap between 1st/2nd prizes would be a good thing.

Cammykaze

I like the bounty structure as is however would like to see something a bit fresher somewhere.

Whether that's to have different structures, a Mini or Main to change slightly or whatever would be nice to see. No real unique ideas spring to mind and there are a couple of good suggestions here.

TheEdge949

What about a winner take all tourney £5 or £10 entry, no rebuy or re - entry, 5 minute clock, no late reg.

waller02

Not fussed about the bounty structure. But a huge +1 to the mtt schedule needing a massive revamp. Can't use the software excuse for this one.

Tikay10

Guys,

I sent this across to James who has now perused the thread & told me he's going to have a look & see what he can do as to a few changes.

Trouble is, whatever he does will upset as many as it pleases, but let's see what, if anything, he comes up with.

PKRPar

Tikay10 said:

Guys,

I sent this across to James who has now perused the thread & told me he's going to have a look & see what he can do as to a few changes.

Trouble is, whatever he does will upset as many as it pleases, but let's see what, if anything, he comes up with.

Appreciated Tikay. It may be easier to know what exactly the limitations of the software are.

- For example can the software be a 4 max? chuck in a cheeky 4 max comp, no gtd required, just call it "Connekt 4" (spelling change due to the obvious trademark implications.... )
- Can the bounty split even be changed? if 50/50 then the non bounty part will need a tinker (1st and 2nd likely to be closer together for example)
- I'm sure the £16.50 pricepoint has been raised before and it's a liquidy thing. Kinda goes over my head but James will know more than me and majority of the pool in relation to the actual back end of the business.

I'm just a Sky loyal trying to provide some enthusiasm to keeping it well and truly alive (hopefully all comments have come across like that...)

UnEuropean

I'm fine with the 75% bounties, though I agree with flattening the payouts so 1st and 2nd pay the same before bounties. The current difference between them is magnified given that so many of the Sky mtts are small 20-50ish fields, where you often see 2nd ending up with a similar payout to the rest of the FT (assuming they're not an outlier that's taken 50% of the field's bounties but still come 2nd) so some FTs effectively become winner takes all.

@Tikay10 I'd like to see some freshness in the schedule but realise there's a traffic issue. A primetime non-BH rebuy/add-on with a decent guarantee (think Stars before BF) would be amazing. Those are always great fun in UKOPS but aren't seen outside of that. Removing something like the now 20-runner Sherriff to make room wouldn't be the end of the world.