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Paying extra to see one of your opponents cards on the river - do you call or fold?

DozzaDozza Member Posts: 323
edited September 2022 in Poker Chat
I just saw this fascinating hand play out between a poker pro (Player A) and what I believe to be a recreational player (Player B ):-



Player B limps UTG for $800. Another player raises to $2.2K and Player A flats with AQos. Player B now 3-bets to $18K and gets called by Player A.

Flop comes as in the graphic and Player A checks his AQ. Player B bets $22K and Player A calls. Both check the turn.

Player A checks river and this is where it really gets interesting. Player B bets $63.1K and then lets Player A flip one of his cards over in return for $6K (Player A is allowed to choose which card of Player B he flips).

So now Player A has this information available to him. Are you making this call? What do you think is the other card of Player B?






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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,727

    @Dozza


    I have no idea of the answer but that's a terrific question.
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  • HUGHMANSHUGHMANS Member Posts: 134
    another 7. Fun hand .
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,865
    B is allowing A to flip over either 1 of his cards.

    So, logically, other 1 cannot be a useless card, or a great card, like a 3. It's got to be 1 that leaves you guessing.

    Only thing A is beating are 2 diamonds. Even then, if the other card is 3d or 8d B wins. Just fold.

    On the assumption B doesn't know that A has air, he's a brave man if he only has 77...

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  • tai-gartai-gar Member Posts: 2,700
    A7 diamonds is my guess
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  • DozzaDozza Member Posts: 323
    I should also add that B makes the offer to A after A reveals that he doesn't have a straight and therefore won't be raising B. It was made after A had been thinking for over a minute on the river so B realised that A wasn't super strong.
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  • HUGHMANSHUGHMANS Member Posts: 134
    My logic is that if he had the 3, then he wouldnt get called. By offerring either card, he knows he is still not giving anything away either card, so still might be.
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  • DozzaDozza Member Posts: 323
    edited September 2022
    A few reasonable guesses so far, but none are correct. I think it's highly unlikely that anyone will be able to correctly guess the exact card Player B is holding along with the 7d. A separate clip of this hand will surely get uploaded on YouTube very soon.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,865
    Always more difficult to judge where B is the Rec.

    But (IMO) the ideal cards for him to hold in that particular scenario are 7d8d. Either card will suggest a missed flush draw.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,727
    Dozza said:

    A few reasonable guesses so far, but none are correct. I think it's highly unlikely that anyone will be able to guess the exact card Player B is holding along with the 7d. A separate clip of this hand will surely get uploaded on YouTube very soon.

    @Dozza

    As it happens I have a video of the hand now. Would you like me to upload it?
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  • DozzaDozza Member Posts: 323
    Yes please do Tikay. We have made them wait long enough.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,727
    edited September 2022
    @Dozza


    Here we go then. Not sure if I've ever seen anything like this before. Quite a twist at the end...

    Well done Dozza, great thread.



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  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,578
    Who was the pro and who was the rec again? Dude got played like a cheap fiddle. :D
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  • Kinda6677Kinda6677 Member Posts: 283
    The rec is Phil helmuths mate. The pro is considered the best cash game player
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  • Bean81Bean81 Member Posts: 614
    You would think this is 87dd or A7dd, in which case we call if playing online. Preflop action makes both hands seem somewhat unlikely, but this is a rich rec playing on TV. 87o is just horrendous.

    If Garrett chooses the 8x, I think this is still a call. The rec just seems so **** comfortable though, which makes me want to fold more.
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