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You are the Tournament Director. What's your ruling here?

Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,727
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  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,578
    If the BB is called Robbi then it's a clear muck as she knows the board is going to run out xJJxx.
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  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,578
    Is the dealer allowed to ask whether the cards are being mucked? Seems stupid to assume someone is mucking AA. (No idea by the way, have only played live a couple of times)
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  • DoublemeDoubleme Member Posts: 2,213
    thats flat out cheating you show a hand the rules say hand is dead. So he is all in with a dead hand all BB has to do is call and they get the pot SB is out.

    its one thing if someone shows a hand and asks am I any good here? to try and get a read on villin but this situation as described is absolute nono.
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  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,578
    Doubleme said:

    thats flat out cheating you show a hand the rules say hand is dead. So he is all in with a dead hand all BB has to do is call and they get the pot SB is out.

    its one thing if someone shows a hand and asks am I any good here? to try and get a read on villin but this situation as described is absolute nono.

    BB showed his hand first didn't he?
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  • mumsiemumsie Member Posts: 8,150
    I dont know the answer to this, my guess is.

    BB can say, no wait, im calling.

    And the call stands.
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  • SidV79SidV79 Member Posts: 4,151
    My understanding is that the BB hand is dead as he threw his cards onto the table without putting any chips in or announcing his intention to call. I am uncertain about the showing of hands to each other especially as the SB is All-in but would imagine the hand, at that point, is still 'live'.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,865
    Difficult one, but I agree with @SidV79

    If the BB (rather than the SB) had said "what a cooler" that could have been construed as a call.

    Think the time the hand is dead when the cards hit the muck-if BB had argued that it was a call before hits the muck, then (and IMO only then) does he have an argument.
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  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,732
    As I understand it by not verballing announcing "Call" or putting a chip in the pot then the action of tabling a hand face up is akin to a muck.

    Basic poker 101, always make your action clear.
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  • stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,872
    Run it until a jack comes out
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  • pompeynicpompeynic Member Posts: 2,834
    Something very similar to this happened to me twice at two different SPT’s
    Once at Manchester I shoved on a guy and without saying a word, turned over his hand. The dealer said “ you’re folding ? “ in a tone that suggested a question, but the guy didn’t respond and his hand was mucked. ( incidentally he had me dead to rights )
    At Brighton I was in a SB BB battle, the BB shoves over my raise and I said “ let’s see who the luck goes with this time “ we had had a few battles. I turned over my cards that had him dominated, but I suddenly realised I hadn’t said call, apologised to the table and gave my hand to the dealer as I, and others around the table thought , if you show your hand without declaring your hand is dead.
    Later on the TD told if I had called the floor and explained what had happened, as it was obvious I intended to call , by the route of the conversation, he would have ruled I could play the hand.
    Not exactly sure what the definitive answer is.
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