They are certainly valid points. I have made a few of them during past debates on this thread. The conclusions I draw from this article are two fold. Firstly, what a bad deal we ended up with. Secondly, how impossible it would have been to come up with a deal that would have made everyone happy.
In my view there is nothing that illustrates the naivety of many Brexit voters like the phrase "get Brexit done". When the reality is that Brexit can never be done. Had our countrys plan been to remain aligned with the EU, there would have been less trade friction, paperwork, border checks, and costs to businesses. The UK plan was the opposite. It was to diverge. Creating more of the above, rather than less. The implementation of the rules we negotiated have proved difficult for us. We have unilaterally extended grace periods on border checks, in order to avoid the difficulties involved. Although all the grace periods must surely end at some point.
The need for divergence was sold to us, as the result of the massive trade deals we would be doing with the rest of the world. Which would replace the lost trade with the EU. In particular the massive trade deal we would do with the US. This deal appears no closer now, than it was at the time of the referendum, 8 years ago. Dont be holding your breath. The number, and value of the deals we have done since we left, can ony be described as disappointing. The result of at least some of the new deals, is that there is further divergence from the EU. Each time we diverge, we create the need for further Brexit negotiations, and agreements. Therefore "getting Brexit done" is not possible, Brexit goes on forever.
When will it ever be acceptable to the Unionists in NI to have a trade border between them and the rest of the UK? The truthful answer is never. A blind person could see why. This argument will run and run. What could the solution possibly be?
So getting Brexit done was a fallacy. What about "controlling our borders"? How do you think that is going? Then there was Sovereignty. I dont feel any different from the way I felt before we left. Does anyone, really? When Brexiteers who objected to EU legislation are asked to come up with a specific example, they usually fail, or come up with something similar to straight bananas.
There seems to be no doubt that Brexit has put a big hole in our economy. Economic growth seems to have played a big part so far in the election campaigns of both our main parties. Yet we have sabotaged our growth, by leaving the EU. It therefore seems incredible that both of them are reluctant to even talk about the EU.
I have accepted the fact that we have left, and that it is unlikely that we will be rejoining anytime soon. I also think that replaying the referendum arguments are pointless. I do believe that a debate about the repercussions is not.
Almost half of UK adults struggling to get prescription drugs amid shortages
Almost half of adults in the UK have struggled to get medicine they have been prescribed – and more people blame Brexit than anything else for the situation, research shows.
Forty-nine per cent of people said they had had trouble getting a prescription dispensed over the past two years, the period during which supply problems have increased sharply.
Drug shortages are so serious that one in 12 Britons were unable to find the medication they needed, despite asking a number of pharmacies.
The survey of 2,028 people representative of the population, undertaken by Opinium for the British Generic Manufacturers Association (BGMA), found that:
One in 12 people (8%) have gone without a medication altogether because it was impossible to obtain.
Thirty-one per cent found the drug they needed was out of stock at their pharmacy.
Twenty-three per cent of pharmacies did not have enough of the medication available.
When asked why shortages were so common, more cited issues involving the UK leaving the EU (36%) than inflation (33%) or global conflict and instability (26%).
Elections Distract From Brexit’s Continued Economic and Trade Challenges
Elections Distract From Brexit’s Continued Economic and Trade Challenges
While political attention is riveted on elections, the enduring challenges of Brexit, from border control chaos to plummeting exports, continue to wreak havoc on the UK’s economy and international trade relations. Here’s the full story.
Labour’s Reeves Signals Need for Better Relationship With EU, Sparking Tory Backlash
Labour’s shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves has outlined plans to enhance the UK’s post-Brexit trade deal with the EU, aiming for closer regulatory alignment in key sectors while maintaining Brexit commitments, a move that has provoked strong reactions from the Conservative Party. Here’s the full story.
We are no longer a member of the EU which means that any attempt to join would have to begin with an application. Right from the start like any other aspiring member.
He can't just pass a law, sign a piece of paper and hey ho Brexit is reversed.
Just another banner headline aimed at scaring people who don't understand how the process works by a Party desperate to limit the damage they are going to have inflicted on them.
Kemi Badenoch, another reason to not vote Conservative.
We are no longer a member of the EU which means that any attempt to join would have to begin with an application. Right from the start like any other aspiring member.
He can't just pass a law, sign a piece of paper and hey ho Brexit is reversed.
Just another banner headline aimed at scaring people who don't understand how the process works by a Party desperate to limit the damage they are going to have inflicted on them.
Kemi Badenoch, another reason to not vote Conservative.
Comments
If things stay as they are, then it is starting to look something like:-
Conservatives 20% vote share. 100 seats.
Reform. 18%. 1 seat.
Lib Dems 15%. 50 seats.
Much as I detest Reform, that is bonkers.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/keir-starmer-opens-door-to-new-eu-brexit-talks-as-he-blasts-boris-johnson-s-botched-deal/ar-BB1ofcbv?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=984223c5c1794507a89fde6f3732efb0&ei=33#fullscreen
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/20-brexit-conversations-we-wish-would-end/ss-BB1ohoLk?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=424be7a060ab4f79b52de877c45eab08&ei=14
Are you listening Tony.
They are certainly valid points.
I have made a few of them during past debates on this thread.
The conclusions I draw from this article are two fold.
Firstly, what a bad deal we ended up with.
Secondly, how impossible it would have been to come up with a deal that would have made everyone happy.
In my view there is nothing that illustrates the naivety of many Brexit voters like the phrase "get Brexit done".
When the reality is that Brexit can never be done.
Had our countrys plan been to remain aligned with the EU, there would have been less trade friction, paperwork, border checks, and costs to businesses.
The UK plan was the opposite.
It was to diverge.
Creating more of the above, rather than less.
The implementation of the rules we negotiated have proved difficult for us.
We have unilaterally extended grace periods on border checks, in order to avoid the difficulties involved.
Although all the grace periods must surely end at some point.
The need for divergence was sold to us, as the result of the massive trade deals we would be doing with the rest of the world.
Which would replace the lost trade with the EU.
In particular the massive trade deal we would do with the US.
This deal appears no closer now, than it was at the time of the referendum, 8 years ago.
Dont be holding your breath.
The number, and value of the deals we have done since we left, can ony be described as disappointing.
The result of at least some of the new deals, is that there is further divergence from the EU.
Each time we diverge, we create the need for further Brexit negotiations, and agreements.
Therefore "getting Brexit done" is not possible, Brexit goes on forever.
When will it ever be acceptable to the Unionists in NI to have a trade border between them and the rest of the UK?
The truthful answer is never.
A blind person could see why.
This argument will run and run.
What could the solution possibly be?
So getting Brexit done was a fallacy.
What about "controlling our borders"?
How do you think that is going?
Then there was Sovereignty.
I dont feel any different from the way I felt before we left.
Does anyone, really?
When Brexiteers who objected to EU legislation are asked to come up with a specific example, they usually fail, or come up with something similar to straight bananas.
There seems to be no doubt that Brexit has put a big hole in our economy.
Economic growth seems to have played a big part so far in the election campaigns of both our main parties.
Yet we have sabotaged our growth, by leaving the EU.
It therefore seems incredible that both of them are reluctant to even talk about the EU.
I have accepted the fact that we have left, and that it is unlikely that we will be rejoining anytime soon.
I also think that replaying the referendum arguments are pointless.
I do believe that a debate about the repercussions is not.
Almost half of adults in the UK have struggled to get medicine they have been prescribed – and more people blame Brexit than anything else for the situation, research shows.
Forty-nine per cent of people said they had had trouble getting a prescription dispensed over the past two years, the period during which supply problems have increased sharply.
Drug shortages are so serious that one in 12 Britons were unable to find the medication they needed, despite asking a number of pharmacies.
The survey of 2,028 people representative of the population, undertaken by Opinium for the British Generic Manufacturers Association (BGMA), found that:
One in 12 people (8%) have gone without a medication altogether because it was impossible to obtain.
Thirty-one per cent found the drug they needed was out of stock at their pharmacy.
Twenty-three per cent of pharmacies did not have enough of the medication available.
When asked why shortages were so common, more cited issues involving the UK leaving the EU (36%) than inflation (33%) or global conflict and instability (26%).
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/almost-half-uk-adults-struggling-153720794.html
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/live/reform-manifesto-live-nigel-farage-election-081206791.html
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/labour-s-rachel-reeves-accused-of-wanting-to-unwind-brexit/ar-BB1omW6x?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=78cf8072595c461aaba20fb1023f074a&ei=56#fullscreen
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/they-will-take-britain-back-in-by-the-back-door-tory-warnings-over-labour-s-brexit-plot/ar-BB1oo82A?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=5b96dd10e54140b8befbcf296ed794b5&ei=110#fullscreen
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/reversing-brexit-labour-plans-bring-125742246.html
EU set to humiliate Keir Starmer by snubbing Labour's plans to reverse Brexit
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/eu-set-to-humiliate-keir-starmer-by-snubbing-labour-s-plans-to-reverse-brexit/ar-BB1oqHBM?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=9b1f1320f0d541e987ed411f06a40106&ei=15#fullscreen
https://x.com/i/status/1802289889066565780
Elections Distract From Brexit’s Continued Economic and Trade Challenges
While political attention is riveted on elections, the enduring challenges of Brexit, from border control chaos to plummeting exports, continue to wreak havoc on the UK’s economy and international trade relations. Here’s the full story.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/elections-distract-from-brexit-s-continued-economic-and-trade-challenges/ss-BB1ovFAs?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=e816e57659ed498b8eb6b65033068e8d&ei=31#image=1
Labour’s shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves has outlined plans to enhance the UK’s post-Brexit trade deal with the EU, aiming for closer regulatory alignment in key sectors while maintaining Brexit commitments, a move that has provoked strong reactions from the Conservative Party. Here’s the full story.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/labour-s-reeves-signals-need-for-better-relationship-with-eu-sparking-tory-backlash/ss-BB1oz7W1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=bcb8b1c804e94be2b09071e7e79d0c23&ei=48#image=1
We are no longer a member of the EU which means that any attempt to join would have to begin with an application. Right from the start like any other aspiring member.
He can't just pass a law, sign a piece of paper and hey ho Brexit is reversed.
Just another banner headline aimed at scaring people who don't understand how the process works by a Party desperate to limit the damage they are going to have inflicted on them.
Kemi Badenoch, another reason to not vote Conservative.
Nobody is confronting the great Remainer lie about Brexit
David Frost
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/britain-proud-brexit-project-very-173000884.html