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North Korea executes two teenagers for 'evil' crime of watching foreign films

HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
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Two teenagers have been executed by firing squad in North Korea for watching and distributing South Korean films.
The two executed boys were reportedly trying to sell small memory sticks containing the contraband films in their local marketplace. The North Korean government plants spies among the public to report these sellers, said the witnesses - leading the two boys to be "caught in a trap."

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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Really evil.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    Western Media sometimes overstates these sorts of things.

    Which "crime" do you think caused the death penalty? Watching foreign films? Or flogging them to other people? It's going to be the latter.

    Every country has things that are illegal that are perfectly legal in other countries. To give a simple UK example, the consumption and supply of Cannabis is (rightly or wrongly) perfectly legal in large parts of the World. Yet the UK regularly gives large prison sentences to those involved in the supply of cannabis in the UK. And note-it is the supply of cannabis, rather than merely using it, where that happens.

    People generally know what is legal, and what may cause them to be executed in these sorts of countries. People run risks-normally for large amounts of cash.

    We need to be very careful judging other countries' laws. Because it is precisely the same logic that causes terrorists to ignore our laws.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    Western Media sometimes overstates these sorts of things.

    Which "crime" do you think caused the death penalty? Watching foreign films? Or flogging them to other people? It's going to be the latter.

    Every country has things that are illegal that are perfectly legal in other countries. To give a simple UK example, the consumption and supply of Cannabis is (rightly or wrongly) perfectly legal in large parts of the World. Yet the UK regularly gives large prison sentences to those involved in the supply of cannabis in the UK. And note-it is the supply of cannabis, rather than merely using it, where that happens.

    People generally know what is legal, and what may cause them to be executed in these sorts of countries. People run risks-normally for large amounts of cash.

    We need to be very careful judging other countries' laws. Because it is precisely the same logic that causes terrorists to ignore our laws.

    What about the punishment fitting the crime?
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  • Allan23Allan23 Member Posts: 876
    Essexphil said:

    Western Media sometimes overstates these sorts of things.

    Which "crime" do you think caused the death penalty? Watching foreign films? Or flogging them to other people? It's going to be the latter.

    Every country has things that are illegal that are perfectly legal in other countries. To give a simple UK example, the consumption and supply of Cannabis is (rightly or wrongly) perfectly legal in large parts of the World. Yet the UK regularly gives large prison sentences to those involved in the supply of cannabis in the UK. And note-it is the supply of cannabis, rather than merely using it, where that happens.

    People generally know what is legal, and what may cause them to be executed in these sorts of countries. People run risks-normally for large amounts of cash.

    We need to be very careful judging other countries' laws. Because it is precisely the same logic that causes terrorists to ignore our laws.

    @Essexphil batting for the North Korean government wasn't what I expected to see this morning
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    Allan23 said:

    Essexphil said:

    Western Media sometimes overstates these sorts of things.

    Which "crime" do you think caused the death penalty? Watching foreign films? Or flogging them to other people? It's going to be the latter.

    Every country has things that are illegal that are perfectly legal in other countries. To give a simple UK example, the consumption and supply of Cannabis is (rightly or wrongly) perfectly legal in large parts of the World. Yet the UK regularly gives large prison sentences to those involved in the supply of cannabis in the UK. And note-it is the supply of cannabis, rather than merely using it, where that happens.

    People generally know what is legal, and what may cause them to be executed in these sorts of countries. People run risks-normally for large amounts of cash.

    We need to be very careful judging other countries' laws. Because it is precisely the same logic that causes terrorists to ignore our laws.

    @Essexphil batting for the North Korean government wasn't what I expected to see this morning
    :)

    Think they are a fairly nasty regime.

    But it is very easy to fall into the trap of applying First World morality to Third World countries.

    If I was running a desperately poor country, with next to no resources, and my nearest neighbour was fabulously wealthy, I think I would have a problem with my neighbour flaunting its wealth in my country.

    Don't think Executions would be part of my strategy, mind...
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  • stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,830
    The people of North Korea should count themselves lucky no Home Alone for them this Christmas
    Seriously Despicable regime but there's dispicable regimes all over the world I'm just glad i live here although S-o-T might count as third world
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  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,686
    As usual we in the West and particularly in soft, liberal, snowflake, woke Britain, think we have some God given right to tell others outside our borders how they should live.

    LGBTQ rights in Qatar, floggings in Saudi, executions in Iran and North Korea, the suppression of Women in most Islamic States, Forced Marriage, slavery and child brides are all morally reprehensible to us however, to many it is an accepted way of life.

    A wise man once said something about removing the log from your own eye before trying to remove the speck from anothers.

    I find child neglect, poverty, homelessness, food banks, clothes banks, soup kitchens and an inadequate social and welfare system all morally reprehensible in 21st Century Britain

    I find anti abortion law, the NRA and the death sentence morally reprehensible in the USA.

    Yes it's sad that 2 young people have been executed for breaking the law but in the coming cold snap more than that will freeze to death in Britain for no other crime than being poor or homeless.

    I doubt the people getting hot under the collar about abuses in foreign lands will be running around over the next few nights with blankets, hot drinks and hope.

    Ok I'm done.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    TheEdge949 said:

    As usual we in the West and particularly in soft, liberal, snowflake, woke Britain, think we have some God given right to tell others outside our borders how they should live.

    LGBTQ rights in Qatar, floggings in Saudi, executions in Iran and North Korea, the suppression of Women in most Islamic States, Forced Marriage, slavery and child brides are all morally reprehensible to us however, to many it is an accepted way of life.

    A wise man once said something about removing the log from your own eye before trying to remove the speck from anothers.

    I find child neglect, poverty, homelessness, food banks, clothes banks, soup kitchens and an inadequate social and welfare system all morally reprehensible in 21st Century Britain

    I find anti abortion law, the NRA and the death sentence morally reprehensible in the USA.

    Yes it's sad that 2 young people have been executed for breaking the law but in the coming cold snap more than that will freeze to death in Britain for no other crime than being poor or homeless.

    I doubt the people getting hot under the collar about abuses in foreign lands will be running around over the next few nights with blankets, hot drinks and hope.

    Ok I'm done.

    What about two wrongs?
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  • Allan23Allan23 Member Posts: 876
    TheEdge949 said:

    As usual we in the West and particularly in soft, liberal, snowflake, woke Britain, think we have some God given right to tell others outside our borders how they should live.

    LGBTQ rights in Qatar, floggings in Saudi, executions in Iran and North Korea, the suppression of Women in most Islamic States, Forced Marriage, slavery and child brides are all morally reprehensible to us however, to many it is an accepted way of life.

    A wise man once said something about removing the log from your own eye before trying to remove the speck from anothers.

    I find child neglect, poverty, homelessness, food banks, clothes banks, soup kitchens and an inadequate social and welfare system all morally reprehensible in 21st Century Britain

    I find anti abortion law, the NRA and the death sentence morally reprehensible in the USA.

    Yes it's sad that 2 young people have been executed for breaking the law but in the coming cold snap more than that will freeze to death in Britain for no other crime than being poor or homeless.

    I doubt the people getting hot under the collar about abuses in foreign lands will be running around over the next few nights with blankets, hot drinks and hope.

    Ok I'm done.

    Is it soft, woke and snowflakey to say someone selling a memory stick with Home Alone on it probably shouldn't face the firing squad? Just need to update my records.
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  • Allan23Allan23 Member Posts: 876
    Essexphil said:

    Allan23 said:

    Essexphil said:

    Western Media sometimes overstates these sorts of things.

    Which "crime" do you think caused the death penalty? Watching foreign films? Or flogging them to other people? It's going to be the latter.

    Every country has things that are illegal that are perfectly legal in other countries. To give a simple UK example, the consumption and supply of Cannabis is (rightly or wrongly) perfectly legal in large parts of the World. Yet the UK regularly gives large prison sentences to those involved in the supply of cannabis in the UK. And note-it is the supply of cannabis, rather than merely using it, where that happens.

    People generally know what is legal, and what may cause them to be executed in these sorts of countries. People run risks-normally for large amounts of cash.

    We need to be very careful judging other countries' laws. Because it is precisely the same logic that causes terrorists to ignore our laws.

    @Essexphil batting for the North Korean government wasn't what I expected to see this morning
    :)

    Think they are a fairly nasty regime.

    But it is very easy to fall into the trap of applying First World morality to Third World countries.

    If I was running a desperately poor country, with next to no resources, and my nearest neighbour was fabulously wealthy, I think I would have a problem with my neighbour flaunting its wealth in my country.

    Don't think Executions would be part of my strategy, mind...
    I find that very close to the "its their culture, we can't criticise it" argument that the Qataris have been very good at feeding into discourse about the problems at the World Cup though.

    "Judging" other countries laws should be exactly what is done - just as one judges and debates one's own country's laws.
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  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,686
    stokefc said:

    The people of North Korea should count themselves lucky no Home Alone for them this Christmas
    Seriously Despicable regime but there's dispicable regimes all over the world I'm just glad i live here although S-o-T might count as third world

    How dare you denounce the Peoples Democratic Republic of Stoke on Trent.

    Your punishment for crimes against the City is to be forced to watch Home Alone for 6 months 24/7. Alternatively a Port Vale season Ticket for 3 seasons with mandatory attendance. You can choose.
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  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,686
    Allan23 said:

    Essexphil said:

    Allan23 said:

    Essexphil said:

    Western Media sometimes overstates these sorts of things.

    Which "crime" do you think caused the death penalty? Watching foreign films? Or flogging them to other people? It's going to be the latter.

    Every country has things that are illegal that are perfectly legal in other countries. To give a simple UK example, the consumption and supply of Cannabis is (rightly or wrongly) perfectly legal in large parts of the World. Yet the UK regularly gives large prison sentences to those involved in the supply of cannabis in the UK. And note-it is the supply of cannabis, rather than merely using it, where that happens.

    People generally know what is legal, and what may cause them to be executed in these sorts of countries. People run risks-normally for large amounts of cash.

    We need to be very careful judging other countries' laws. Because it is precisely the same logic that causes terrorists to ignore our laws.

    @Essexphil batting for the North Korean government wasn't what I expected to see this morning
    :)

    Think they are a fairly nasty regime.

    But it is very easy to fall into the trap of applying First World morality to Third World countries.

    If I was running a desperately poor country, with next to no resources, and my nearest neighbour was fabulously wealthy, I think I would have a problem with my neighbour flaunting its wealth in my country.

    Don't think Executions would be part of my strategy, mind...
    I find that very close to the "its their culture, we can't criticise it" argument that the Qataris have been very good at feeding into discourse about the problems at the World Cup though.

    "Judging" other countries laws should be exactly what is done - just as one judges and debates one's own country's laws.
    We can criticise from the safety of our comfortable existence, we can even judge, but what we cannot do is try and force our will on others a la Al Queda, ISIS, Putin, IRA, UDF, Black September, Bader Meinhoff, Proud Boys, Third Reich etc.

    Unless of course in our case "It's different".
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  • Allan23Allan23 Member Posts: 876
    TheEdge949 said:

    Allan23 said:

    Essexphil said:

    Allan23 said:

    Essexphil said:

    Western Media sometimes overstates these sorts of things.

    Which "crime" do you think caused the death penalty? Watching foreign films? Or flogging them to other people? It's going to be the latter.

    Every country has things that are illegal that are perfectly legal in other countries. To give a simple UK example, the consumption and supply of Cannabis is (rightly or wrongly) perfectly legal in large parts of the World. Yet the UK regularly gives large prison sentences to those involved in the supply of cannabis in the UK. And note-it is the supply of cannabis, rather than merely using it, where that happens.

    People generally know what is legal, and what may cause them to be executed in these sorts of countries. People run risks-normally for large amounts of cash.

    We need to be very careful judging other countries' laws. Because it is precisely the same logic that causes terrorists to ignore our laws.

    @Essexphil batting for the North Korean government wasn't what I expected to see this morning
    :)

    Think they are a fairly nasty regime.

    But it is very easy to fall into the trap of applying First World morality to Third World countries.

    If I was running a desperately poor country, with next to no resources, and my nearest neighbour was fabulously wealthy, I think I would have a problem with my neighbour flaunting its wealth in my country.

    Don't think Executions would be part of my strategy, mind...
    I find that very close to the "its their culture, we can't criticise it" argument that the Qataris have been very good at feeding into discourse about the problems at the World Cup though.

    "Judging" other countries laws should be exactly what is done - just as one judges and debates one's own country's laws.
    We can criticise from the safety of our comfortable existence, we can even judge, but what we cannot do is try and force our will on others a la Al Queda, ISIS, Putin, IRA, UDF, Black September, Bader Meinhoff, Proud Boys, Third Reich etc.

    Unless of course in our case "It's different".
    Hmmmmm...the third reich? You don't think it was right to try and force a different will upon the third reich? We should have just let them be, as we are the comfortable woke Britain? Not sure about that...
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  • raggy94raggy94 Member Posts: 158
    'Witnesses told Radio Free Asia' doesn't always mean a thing that actually happened.
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  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,686
    Allan23 said:

    TheEdge949 said:

    Allan23 said:

    Essexphil said:

    Allan23 said:

    Essexphil said:

    Western Media sometimes overstates these sorts of things.

    Which "crime" do you think caused the death penalty? Watching foreign films? Or flogging them to other people? It's going to be the latter.

    Every country has things that are illegal that are perfectly legal in other countries. To give a simple UK example, the consumption and supply of Cannabis is (rightly or wrongly) perfectly legal in large parts of the World. Yet the UK regularly gives large prison sentences to those involved in the supply of cannabis in the UK. And note-it is the supply of cannabis, rather than merely using it, where that happens.

    People generally know what is legal, and what may cause them to be executed in these sorts of countries. People run risks-normally for large amounts of cash.

    We need to be very careful judging other countries' laws. Because it is precisely the same logic that causes terrorists to ignore our laws.

    @Essexphil batting for the North Korean government wasn't what I expected to see this morning
    :)

    Think they are a fairly nasty regime.

    But it is very easy to fall into the trap of applying First World morality to Third World countries.

    If I was running a desperately poor country, with next to no resources, and my nearest neighbour was fabulously wealthy, I think I would have a problem with my neighbour flaunting its wealth in my country.

    Don't think Executions would be part of my strategy, mind...
    I find that very close to the "its their culture, we can't criticise it" argument that the Qataris have been very good at feeding into discourse about the problems at the World Cup though.

    "Judging" other countries laws should be exactly what is done - just as one judges and debates one's own country's laws.
    We can criticise from the safety of our comfortable existence, we can even judge, but what we cannot do is try and force our will on others a la Al Queda, ISIS, Putin, IRA, UDF, Black September, Bader Meinhoff, Proud Boys, Third Reich etc.

    Unless of course in our case "It's different".
    Hmmmmm...the third reich? You don't think it was right to try and force a different will upon the third reich? We should have just let them be, as we are the comfortable woke Britain? Not sure about that...
    No I am saying all these groups tried to force their own ideals and standards on others, do pay attention 007.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    TheEdge949 said:

    As usual we in the West and particularly in soft, liberal, snowflake, woke Britain, think we have some God given right to tell others outside our borders how they should live.

    LGBTQ rights in Qatar, floggings in Saudi, executions in Iran and North Korea, the suppression of Women in most Islamic States, Forced Marriage, slavery and child brides are all morally reprehensible to us however, to many it is an accepted way of life.

    A wise man once said something about removing the log from your own eye before trying to remove the speck from anothers.

    I find child neglect, poverty, homelessness, food banks, clothes banks, soup kitchens and an inadequate social and welfare system all morally reprehensible in 21st Century Britain

    I find anti abortion law, the NRA and the death sentence morally reprehensible in the USA.

    Yes it's sad that 2 young people have been executed for breaking the law but in the coming cold snap more than that will freeze to death in Britain for no other crime than being poor or homeless.

    I doubt the people getting hot under the collar about abuses in foreign lands will be running around over the next few nights with blankets, hot drinks and hope.

    Ok I'm done.

    I find it very difficult to understand how anyone could even attempt to condone the execution of a couple of teenagers over memory sticks.
    I feel entitled to express my opinion that this is wrong.
    When doing so, I am expressing my own opinion, rather than representing my country.
    I therefore dont think my country has to be perfect, before commenting on anything that goes on elsewhere.

    I share your disgust at some of the stuff going on in this country.
    Most of what you quote has occurred, or been exacerbated during 12 years of Tory austerity.
    Yet despite this in 2019 we voted them back in with the biggest majority in living memory.
    How can you explain that?

    Although none of this excuses the execution of teenagers, anywhere in the world.
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  • raggy94raggy94 Member Posts: 158
    Theres literally no supporting evidence for this happening.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    raggy94 said:

    Theres literally no supporting evidence for this happening.

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  • raggy94raggy94 Member Posts: 158
    The primary source for all these stories is 'witnesses told Radio Free Asia'.
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  • raggy94raggy94 Member Posts: 158
    The actual story is 'someone said something to someone else' lol
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