Met Police boss: ‘over 500’ officers on restricted duties amid standards probes

HAYSIE

The weak arm of the law: Met police officer is ridiculed for allowing attack on female PC by shoeless 'thief' and calling her 'madam' as she drags colleague by the hair and slams her into a wall in London

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Met Police officers have been mocked online after a 'sweet thief' managed to take on two of them at once and get away despite being barefoot. Videos show the officers getting into a brawl with the enraged 26-year-old woman in Willesden, north west London, on Friday afternoon. 'Britain's finest responding to theft of penny sweets from local newsagent, making hard work of bringing down perpetrator,' one social media user captioned the video. In a shocking attack, the woman grabs one Met Police officer by her hair as the cop tried to arrest her following reports she had assaulted two men and a woman. While the suspected thief swings the policewoman around by her ponytail, her colleague unsuccessfully attempts to pull her off before the woman makes off down the road. Police later caught up with her, with two more officers needed to perform the arrest.







https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12132945/Met-police-officers-attacked-woman-shes-arrested-stealing-penny-sweets.html

rabdeniro

It's embarrasing.

HAYSIE

rabdeniro said:

It's embarrasing.

It looks like something off The Benny Hill Show.

HAYSIE

This is a slightly longer version.
They seemed to lack any motivation to chase after her.




https://www.tiktok.com/@lewisflack310/video/7237529924066659611?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc

Essexphil

Have to say I see this differently to others.

What I am seeing is a woman assaulting a police officer who is half her size. And a load of people filming it on their phones while doing absolutely nothing to help.

If i had filmed stuff while doing nothing to help, I would be too ashamed of myself to admit it.

Doubleme

Essexphil said:

Have to say I see this differently to others.

What I am seeing is a woman assaulting a police officer who is half her size. And a load of people filming it on their phones while doing absolutely nothing to help.

If i had filmed stuff while doing nothing to help, I would be too ashamed of myself to admit it.

interesting take but the problem is people often dont want to get injured themselves. About 2 years ago I was in Bournemouth town centre and one guy was full on chasing another guy caught up to him and started punching the **** out of him. Now I dont know the circumstances behind any of this who was right who was wrong or etc.

However the thing is I probably could not have taken either of them and me intervening would likely result in me getting badly hurt. I didnt film it but If I had of done that could have been used as evidence for the police at a later point.

Essexphil

I think you are misunderstanding what I am trying to say.

I respect anyone's right not to want to get involved.

What I do not understand is people calling the police "weak" when the police are trying to help while their accusers do absolutely nothing.

mumsie

Not sure what the back story is here.
I wonder why the male officer didnt get a truncheon or baton out bring the assaulter down, cuff her and radio for back up.
Or even the female officer, looks like she has a truncheon.

Maybe lack of training.

HAYSIE

They did get her in the end.



Part 1
https://www.tiktok.com/@lewisflack310/video/7237529924066659611?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc



Part 2
https://www.tiktok.com/@lewisflack310/video/7237606077183905050?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc

HAYSIE

mumsie said:

Not sure what the back story is here.
I wonder why the male officer didnt get a truncheon or baton out bring the assaulter down, cuff her and radio for back up.
Or even the female officer, looks like she has a truncheon.

Maybe lack of training.

A difference of opinion.
She either stole some penny sweets, or assaulted three people.
Or both.

HAYSIE

Essexphil said:

I think you are misunderstanding what I am trying to say.

I respect anyone's right not to want to get involved.

What I do not understand is people calling the police "weak" when the police are trying to help while their accusers do absolutely nothing.

Isnt that a Boris.
Having your cake and eating it.
Can you really respect peoples right to not get involved, and then criticise them for doing just that.

HAYSIE

Essexphil said:

Have to say I see this differently to others.

What I am seeing is a woman assaulting a police officer who is half her size. And a load of people filming it on their phones while doing absolutely nothing to help.

If i had filmed stuff while doing nothing to help, I would be too ashamed of myself to admit it.

I must admit, I thought it was absolutely pathetic.
There were two officers attempting to arrest a woman.
The male officer did look short, maybe too short to be a police officer.
I would think that the majority of the people that he is called upon to arrest will be bigger than him.
He is clearly cowering away from the woman, who is attempting to slap him with an open hand.
They appear to have had enough by the time the woman runs off, and make no attempt to pursue her.
How many officers should we be sending out to arrest one woman?
They seemed completely out of their depth.
I dread to think of the consequences of them being sent out to arrest a larger man.
In fact I am not sure of who you could send them out to arrest, with any confidence.

HAYSIE

They did get her in the end.


Part 1
https://www.tiktok.com/@lewisflack310/video/7237529924066659611?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc



Part 2
https://www.tiktok.com/@lewisflack310/video/7237606077183905050?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc

A second video shows that the officers eventually tracked the woman down, but continued in their laboured approach to arresting her.

The officers appeared to need back up as the woman was arrested by two other cops, with the clip showing them all gathered around her as she is sat against a wall.

HAYSIE

There have been claims that the woman had stolen penny sweets from a local newsagents, while police say they attended the scene following an alleged assault on three people.

So they were sent out to arrest a woman, who had allegedly assaulted 3 people.
What on earth were they expecting?
Dont they have batons, tasers, etc?
They were completely unprepared, and didnt seem to have a clue.

Tikay10

Don't forget the other side of that coin though. If they get heavy-handed, the headlines would be "two police officers hit poor defenceless woman".

Look at the tragic tale of those two kids who got killed on an e-scooter last week. The whole narrative has been "the police were chasing them", as if that in itself were a crime, and, predictably, the two boys are being portrayed as little angels. Why is it perceived the police have done something wrong if they chase someone? It seems that the kids were not quite the angels they are being portrayed as though, one of them, aged 15, had been arrested 30 times in the last 12 months. It's a tragedy it ended so badly, RIP, but just because someone has an accident whilst the police were (or were not, depending on what version we read) pursuing them does not mean the police have necessarily done anything wrong.

If the kids had caused an accident - run an elderly person over, say - the fingers pointers would be saying "why did the Police not apprehend them sooner?" or "the Police did nothing".

There's plenty wrong with Policing in the UK, not denying that, but it's not an easy thing to do. And as organisations get bigger & bigger, it's always the case they become less efficient.

The starting point for all these things is if we all behave honestly & reasonably, the Police would not need to get involved. To solve ANY problem, start with the root cause. The root cause here is not the Police, it's how we behave as a society.

HAYSIE

Tikay10 said:

Don't forget the other side of that coin though. If they get heavy-handed, the headlines would be "two police officers hit poor defenceless woman".

Look at the tragic tale of those two kids who got killed on an e-scooter last week. The whole narrative has been "the police were chasing them", as if that in itself were a crime, and, predictably, the two boys are being portrayed as little angels. Why is it perceived the police have done something wrong if they chase someone? It seems that the kids were not quite the angels they are being portrayed as though, one of them, aged 15, had been arrested 30 times in the last 12 months. It's a tragedy it ended so badly, RIP, but just because someone has an accident whilst the police were (or were not, depending on what version we read) pursuing them does not mean the police have necessarily done anything wrong.

If the kids had caused an accident - run an elderly person over, say - the fingers pointers would be saying "why did the Police not apprehend them sooner?" or "the Police did nothing".

There's plenty wrong with Policing in the UK, not denying that, but it's not an easy thing to do. And as organisations get bigger & bigger, it's always the case they become less efficient.

The starting point for all these things is if we all behave honestly & reasonably, the Police would not need to get involved. To solve ANY problem, start with the root cause. The root cause here is not the Police, it's how we behave as a society.

I must admit that I see few similarities between the two cases.
I do appreciate that the police have a difficult job to do, and often face unwarranted criticism.
Not in this case.
I think that these 2 officers were asked to perform a pretty basic task.
Arresting people is their job.
You surely have to question their suitability as police officers, if they are unable to perform a basic function.
The women had been reported for allegedly assaulting three people.
That in itself should surely have been a warning to approach her with caution.
I am certain that the police dont expect everyone that they are about to arrest, to merely put their hands behind their backs, ready to be cuffed.
These two officers seemed completely incapable.
Perhaps its my imagination, but when I was growing up, police officers in these circumstances would have shown more pride, and chased the offender.
These two seemed glad to see the back of her.

How big a police force would we need if we have to send out a minibus full of officers out to arrest one woman?

Tikay10

"I see few similarities between the two cases."

The similarities are in how the Police are being viewed in both cases.

I don't know the numbers so I'm plucking them out of the air, but I bet for every arrest that goes wrong, 10 go right. Those don't get reported though.

HAYSIE

Tikay10 said:

"I see few similarities between the two cases."

The similarities are in how the Police are being viewed in both cases.

I don't know the numbers so I'm plucking them out of the air, but I bet for every arrest that goes wrong, 10 go right. Those don't get reported though.

In this case the police are being ridiculed, and in my opinion rightly so.
I dont think you can put it down to bad luck.
These two officers just looked incompetent.

The other case is far more complex, and involved difficult questions.
Although, you could almost guarantee that bereaved parents, friends, and family members will look for someone to blame, and inevitably point fingers at the police.
I dont know if the police were chasing them.
What the police should have done if they werent supposed to be chasing them.
Or whether anything the police did contributed to their deaths.

Essexphil

HAYSIE said:

Tikay10 said:

"I see few similarities between the two cases."

The similarities are in how the Police are being viewed in both cases.

I don't know the numbers so I'm plucking them out of the air, but I bet for every arrest that goes wrong, 10 go right. Those don't get reported though.

In this case the police are being ridiculed, and in my opinion rightly so.
I dont think you can put it down to bad luck.
These two officers just looked incompetent.

The other case is far more complex, and involved difficult questions.
Although, you could almost guarantee that bereaved parents, friends, and family members will look for someone to blame, and inevitably point fingers at the police.
I dont know if the police were chasing them.
What the police should have done if they werent supposed to be chasing them.
Or whether anything the police did contributed to their deaths.

Taking the 2 cases individually.

The minor 1-police have to be able to do 1001 jobs. Most of them do not involve physical strength. They looked like 2 rookie cops/PCSOs. But then you are not exactly going to deploy a S.W.A.T team for this sort of thing. There are precious few police actually on the streets-no need to ridicule the few that actually go outside. Why do people presume every poline officer will win every altercation against every assailant?

The Welsh one. There are all sorts of guidelines as to how close the police are supposed to follow, to avoid danger to the public. Seems odd that the Police started saying were not following at all-when clearly they were.

Perhaps if people didn't routinely assume they can be better policemen than policemen are, regardless of total lack of experience and training the World would be a better place.

It's like when poker players automatically presume they can run a poker site better than people whose job it is to run poker sites...

rabdeniro

When the Polis woman is grabbed by the hair you would expect yer Polis mate to hander you, not try and cuddle them.

HAYSIE

Essexphil said:

HAYSIE said:

Tikay10 said:

"I see few similarities between the two cases."

The similarities are in how the Police are being viewed in both cases.

I don't know the numbers so I'm plucking them out of the air, but I bet for every arrest that goes wrong, 10 go right. Those don't get reported though.

In this case the police are being ridiculed, and in my opinion rightly so.
I dont think you can put it down to bad luck.
These two officers just looked incompetent.

The other case is far more complex, and involved difficult questions.
Although, you could almost guarantee that bereaved parents, friends, and family members will look for someone to blame, and inevitably point fingers at the police.
I dont know if the police were chasing them.
What the police should have done if they werent supposed to be chasing them.
Or whether anything the police did contributed to their deaths.

Taking the 2 cases individually.

The minor 1-police have to be able to do 1001 jobs. Most of them do not involve physical strength. They looked like 2 rookie cops/PCSOs. But then you are not exactly going to deploy a S.W.A.T team for this sort of thing. There are precious few police actually on the streets-no need to ridicule the few that actually go outside. Why do people presume every poline officer will win every altercation against every assailant?


The fact that the second video seems to show the women surrounded by 5 officers, doesnt seem to be a good use of police resources.
The police have rules regarding officers with long hair.
These rules are in place to avoid what happened to the female officer.
The male officers firstly cowers away from a slap from the woman, before retreating, leaving his female colleague in trouble.
The officers showed no determination to make an arrest.
Admittedly, the female officer had her hair pulled, and the male officer narrowly avoided a slap, but they looked relieved when the woman made off.
For me, it wasnt that things went wrong, they were completely incompetent.
You surely cant be thinking that requiring five officers to make this arrest, is a wise use of police resources?
To expect that two officers are able to arrest one woman without incident, seems to be a fairly low bar.

The Welsh one. There are all sorts of guidelines as to how close the police are supposed to follow, to avoid danger to the public. Seems odd that the Police started saying were not following at all-when clearly they were.

I think that the police try to differentiate between chasing, and following at a distance.
Some of the parents accused the police of chasing, and I believe the police were saying following.
I am not sure what the police should do under these circumstances.
I understand the argument that chasing is likely to make those being pursued increase their speed.
Although following in view is unlikely to result in a different response.

Perhaps if people didn't routinely assume they can be better policemen than policemen are, regardless of total lack of experience and training the World would be a better place.

Perhaps if people who appreciated that they were incapable of making an arrest under these circumstances, didnt join the police force, we would have a better, less ridiculed police force.

It's like when poker players automatically presume they can run a poker site better than people whose job it is to run poker sites...

The trouble with opinions is that they are like ar5eholes, everyone has got one.