was this a bad move ?

ckd

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Intoto	Small blind		75.00	75.00	3331.25
ckd	Big blind		150.00	225.00	2130.00
	Your hole cards	A 9
wrongjohn1	Fold
richyshere	Fold
MagicMern	Raise		300.00	525.00	1860.00
Intoto	Fold
ckd	Call		150.00	675.00	1980.00
Flop
		7 J 4
ckd	Check
MagicMern	Bet		506.25	1181.25	1353.75
ckd	All-in		1980.00	3161.25	0.00
MagicMern	All-in		1353.75	4515.00	0.00
ckd	Unmatched bet		120.00	4395.00	120.00
ckd	Show	A 9
MagicMern	Show	K K
Turn
		10
River
		5
ckd	Win	Flush to the Ace	4395.00		4515.00

ckd

sorry dont know how to remove names

MagicMern

long term yes it was - you stacked off for 43.7% chance of winning https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tools/odds-calculator/texas-holdem - you are only beating a bluff but pretty obvious you were behind imo, but im biased because it was against me!

ckd

but those odds are only when you know both sets of cards. 150 raise to my big blind with your range could be kq kj k10 q10 j10 so that % means nothing unless i put you on ks.

ckd

so is it the wrong move before knowing cards

Asho28

@ckd , out of interest was this a bounty hunter/freezeout or a DYM?

ckd

@Asho28 dym

Asho28

ckd said:

dym

My knowledge of DYM play and spots isn't great, but I think my preferred play is to go all in pre with our 15 big blinds. Obviously this will depend on notes on villain, how often they've been opening, what sizings they've been using etc. But there's a lot of hands we're ahead of vs button opening range and we'll also force folds often. And if we end up all in pre vs a hand like pocket kings then we still win the hand around 30% of the time. Not sure I like flatting.

As played and given the stack sizes, I think I would probably prefer to fold and wait for a better spot. You are right in saying that we don't know the villains hand and therefore our equity, but generally 3/4 pot sizings just scream strength and our hand isn't a profitable shove. We're rarely going to be ahead of anything (maybe occasionally KQ KJ K10, with one diamond or something similar) and our 3 ace outs might not always be live either.

Personally, I don't think KK needs to c-bet anywhere near that big on the flop, especially with the K of diamonds in their hand.

Probably be better waiting for a DYMs regular to read this and provide their view, but that's just my two cents worth.

ckd

Asho28 said:

ckd said:

dym

My knowledge of DYM play and spots isn't great, but I think my preferred play is to go all in pre with our 15 big blinds. Obviously this will depend on notes on villain, how often they've been opening, what sizings they've been using etc. But there's a lot of hands we're ahead of vs button opening range and we'll also force folds often. And if we end up all in pre vs a hand like pocket kings then we still win the hand around 30% of the time.

As played and given the stack sizes, I think I would probably prefer to fold and wait for a better spot. You are right in saying that we don't know the villains hand and therefore our equity, but generally 3/4 pot sizings just scream strength and our hand isn't a profitable shove. We're rarely going to be ahead of anything (maybe occasionally KQ KJ K10, with one diamond or something similar) and our 3 ace outs might not always be live either.

Personally, I don't think KK needs to c-bet anywhere near that big on the flop, especially with the K of diamonds in their hand.

Probably be better waiting for a DYMs regular to read this and provide their view, but that's just my two cents worth.

Thanks for the input, i do agree that shoving isn't the right thing most time but was playing the player as well, i believed other play had big diamond but that nothing else.

i know long run probable wrong but suppose all part of the game. we all need a bit of luck somtimes

River_Fox

dont see anything wrong with that?

edrich

These situations are driven by how well you know the villain.

Some I would fold to pre. Some I would shove on pre. Not sure I'm calling many pre here.

The folds and shoves could be influenced by recent gameplay too.

As played, you're quite comfortable here and I'm not sure you need to take a gamble in this situation.

Bean81

Lokks fine to me if we're not GII pre. Villain's flop sizing makes me think we have no fold equity though.