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Anti-vaccine GP ‘delighted to be struck off’ after Telegraph exposé

HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,847
edited July 2023 in The Rail

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  • Bean81Bean81 Member Posts: 590
    I don't think this is a case of being "allowed" at all, in the same way that if I worked two days as a teacher and three days at Tesco, I could work at Tesco when on strike.

    I don't know about doctors, but teachers at least don't get paid when on strike. And let's face it, £128k per year for being at the top of your game, working long days and with that level of responsibility isn't great.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,774
    Bean81 said:

    I don't think this is a case of being "allowed" at all, in the same way that if I worked two days as a teacher and three days at Tesco, I could work at Tesco when on strike.

    I don't know about doctors, but teachers at least don't get paid when on strike. And let's face it, £128k per year for being at the top of your game, working long days and with that level of responsibility isn't great.

    I agree with a lot of your posts. But not this time. Which, of course, is in the nature of things-we all see things differently.

    The average salary in the UK is less than 40K for a full-time job. And less than 15K a year for a part-time job.

    The top 10% of full-time employee earnings earn £62,000+ a year. Senior Doctors earn double that.

    I'm not saying they don't deserve to be well-paid. They do. And, if they are working part-time for the NHS, what they do on their other days is entirely up to them. Just not on their contracted days.

    But I can think of 128,000 reasons why we are entitled to expect them to be "at the top of their game" while they are being paid. And, if they believe it is acceptable to cause people to die while they strike, then I believe they are in the wrong profession.

  • Bean81Bean81 Member Posts: 590
    I'll admit I typed that partly for a reaction to get the debate going.

    I agree that its bad form for the consultants to strike, unless in solidarity with the teams that support them. They shouldn't use that time to work. I could understand it more if they earned a low wage.

    I do think they are low paid for what they do. I'm always torn between thinking those that do three days NHS and two days private are taking the ****, then on the other hand, not begrudging them for wanting to make more to better reflect their skills, knowledge and experience. Many have the brains and work ethic to be towards the top of the tree in any other profession they had chosen, earning £150k+ in a situation where life and death isn't down to their decision-making. Then i go back around the circle and think that they did actively choose that vocation...

    I go private through work these days and it's often the same consultant, with a one-week wait instead of 26. With that said, private wait times are going up as the Tories are effectively pushing many down the private route. The anxiety for many people from having to wait 6-months just for a diagnosis is a disgrace IMO. The sooner they are gone, the better.

  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,774
    Bean81 said:

    I'll admit I typed that partly for a reaction to get the debate going.

    I agree that its bad form for the consultants to strike, unless in solidarity with the teams that support them. They shouldn't use that time to work. I could understand it more if they earned a low wage.

    I do think they are low paid for what they do. I'm always torn between thinking those that do three days NHS and two days private are taking the ****, then on the other hand, not begrudging them for wanting to make more to better reflect their skills, knowledge and experience. Many have the brains and work ethic to be towards the top of the tree in any other profession they had chosen, earning £150k+ in a situation where life and death isn't down to their decision-making. Then i go back around the circle and think that they did actively choose that vocation...

    I go private through work these days and it's often the same consultant, with a one-week wait instead of 26. With that said, private wait times are going up as the Tories are effectively pushing many down the private route. The anxiety for many people from having to wait 6-months just for a diagnosis is a disgrace IMO. The sooner they are gone, the better.

    It's most certainly a complex issue.

    The NHS, at all levels, is a lot like everywhere else. It has its fair share of brilliant individuals, who are undoubtedly grossly underpaid. Similarly, it also has its fair share of people who are overpaid and/or useless. And an organisation that often fails to recognise which is which.

    I'm similarly torn in relation to the part NHS/part private. I disagree that top doctors could succeed everywhere else-they have a very particular skillset. For the exact same reason that most Solicitors/Barristers are often not well suited to other jobs.

    I'm also torn in relation to patients going down the private route. I fully understand why people want to be higher up in the queue. But it does have the result of pushing the rest even further down what has become a very long queue.

    Made even worse by Doctors striking, thinking they are somehow unique in having seen their pay reduce in real terms over the last 15 years.

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,847
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,774
    I thoroughly enjoyed a book many years ago in relation to how to be truly British. It concluded that the best test was the ability to instantly apologise when someone else treads on your foot.

    It is now thought to be the idea that the NHS is marvellous. The rest of the World views it with a mixture of horror and disgust.

    It has thousands of marvellous medical staff. And a Management structure/Cost structure that is truly appalling.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,847
    Essexphil said:

    I thoroughly enjoyed a book many years ago in relation to how to be truly British. It concluded that the best test was the ability to instantly apologise when someone else treads on your foot.

    It is now thought to be the idea that the NHS is marvellous. The rest of the World views it with a mixture of horror and disgust.

    It has thousands of marvellous medical staff. And a Management structure/Cost structure that is truly appalling.

    Despite not having read the book, I couldnt disagree with that.
    They are also involved with stuff that they shouldnt be.
    As an example, I was listening to a debate the other day, where it was pointed out that the NHS have just opened 15 clinics for problem gamblers.
    This is an awful problem, and sufferers desperately need help.
    However, shouldnt this be run by a reputable charity and funded by bookmakers?
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,774
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    I thoroughly enjoyed a book many years ago in relation to how to be truly British. It concluded that the best test was the ability to instantly apologise when someone else treads on your foot.

    It is now thought to be the idea that the NHS is marvellous. The rest of the World views it with a mixture of horror and disgust.

    It has thousands of marvellous medical staff. And a Management structure/Cost structure that is truly appalling.

    Despite not having read the book, I couldnt disagree with that.
    They are also involved with stuff that they shouldnt be.
    As an example, I was listening to a debate the other day, where it was pointed out that the NHS have just opened 15 clinics for problem gamblers.
    This is an awful problem, and sufferers desperately need help.
    However, shouldnt this be run by a reputable charity and funded by bookmakers?
    Sensible.

    Which is precisely why it does not happen.

    It used to happen. Until it was scrapped last year. The Charity was GambleAware. It had an agreement for £100 million funding from the Big 4 betting Companies.

    But the NHS pulled the plug. Saying it did not want to receive money in this way.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,847
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    I thoroughly enjoyed a book many years ago in relation to how to be truly British. It concluded that the best test was the ability to instantly apologise when someone else treads on your foot.

    It is now thought to be the idea that the NHS is marvellous. The rest of the World views it with a mixture of horror and disgust.

    It has thousands of marvellous medical staff. And a Management structure/Cost structure that is truly appalling.

    Despite not having read the book, I couldnt disagree with that.
    They are also involved with stuff that they shouldnt be.
    As an example, I was listening to a debate the other day, where it was pointed out that the NHS have just opened 15 clinics for problem gamblers.
    This is an awful problem, and sufferers desperately need help.
    However, shouldnt this be run by a reputable charity and funded by bookmakers?
    Sensible.

    Which is precisely why it does not happen.

    It used to happen. Until it was scrapped last year. The Charity was GambleAware. It had an agreement for £100 million funding from the Big 4 betting Companies.

    But the NHS pulled the plug. Saying it did not want to receive money in this way.
    That seems silly.
    They dont have unlimited funding, and dont need to spread themselves thinner, and thinner.
    There is probably lots of stuff that they get involved with, that they shouldnt.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,774
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    I thoroughly enjoyed a book many years ago in relation to how to be truly British. It concluded that the best test was the ability to instantly apologise when someone else treads on your foot.

    It is now thought to be the idea that the NHS is marvellous. The rest of the World views it with a mixture of horror and disgust.

    It has thousands of marvellous medical staff. And a Management structure/Cost structure that is truly appalling.

    Despite not having read the book, I couldnt disagree with that.
    They are also involved with stuff that they shouldnt be.
    As an example, I was listening to a debate the other day, where it was pointed out that the NHS have just opened 15 clinics for problem gamblers.
    This is an awful problem, and sufferers desperately need help.
    However, shouldnt this be run by a reputable charity and funded by bookmakers?
    Sensible.

    Which is precisely why it does not happen.

    It used to happen. Until it was scrapped last year. The Charity was GambleAware. It had an agreement for £100 million funding from the Big 4 betting Companies.

    But the NHS pulled the plug. Saying it did not want to receive money in this way.
    That seems silly.
    They dont have unlimited funding, and dont need to spread themselves thinner, and thinner.
    There is probably lots of stuff that they get involved with, that they shouldnt.
    Not unlimited, true. But pretty close.

    Cost last year? Over £150 Billion. The 5th largest employer in the World.

    And I am at a loss to understand why it gets to pick and choose where it gets its money from. If it was direct from the Betting Companies, could see that. But GambleAware is totally independent.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,847
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    I thoroughly enjoyed a book many years ago in relation to how to be truly British. It concluded that the best test was the ability to instantly apologise when someone else treads on your foot.

    It is now thought to be the idea that the NHS is marvellous. The rest of the World views it with a mixture of horror and disgust.

    It has thousands of marvellous medical staff. And a Management structure/Cost structure that is truly appalling.

    Despite not having read the book, I couldnt disagree with that.
    They are also involved with stuff that they shouldnt be.
    As an example, I was listening to a debate the other day, where it was pointed out that the NHS have just opened 15 clinics for problem gamblers.
    This is an awful problem, and sufferers desperately need help.
    However, shouldnt this be run by a reputable charity and funded by bookmakers?
    Sensible.

    Which is precisely why it does not happen.

    It used to happen. Until it was scrapped last year. The Charity was GambleAware. It had an agreement for £100 million funding from the Big 4 betting Companies.

    But the NHS pulled the plug. Saying it did not want to receive money in this way.
    That seems silly.
    They dont have unlimited funding, and dont need to spread themselves thinner, and thinner.
    There is probably lots of stuff that they get involved with, that they shouldnt.
    Not unlimited, true. But pretty close.

    Cost last year? Over £150 Billion. The 5th largest employer in the World.

    And I am at a loss to understand why it gets to pick and choose where it gets its money from. If it was direct from the Betting Companies, could see that. But GambleAware is totally independent.
    How long before it is unable to continue in its current form?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,847
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    Anti-vaccine GP ‘delighted to be struck off’ after Telegraph exposé


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/anti-vaccine-gp-delighted-struck-002501704.html
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