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Playing someone at PL who will 100% call any bet you make

TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592
Just had an hour and half with me ol' mate 'MILANS' heads up. Very, very simple scenario. MILANS will call any bet at hi lo, any size.

So If you have a board of 2s 3s 4 d and you hold As 5s 6c 7c and he bets out max (which he will do regardless of his holding) and you raise the max,.... he will never fold a pair of 4's for example.... or indeed anything... hes in.

So this is very very simple at slow blinds and PL.... just fold until you have a hand that you want to play big, no marginal calls, no calling all his max raises preflop unless you have a good starting hand.

You could not lose against MILANS with patience shown. Now he may split the odd one, with some amazing luck, but with patience on a slow structured PL game, you can pick him off at will.

The result with MILANS however is always 2-2, 3-3. Always.

He needs two 8's, turn river? He gets two 8's..... over and over and over and over.

This is online poker.

Just impossible.

Comments

  • rabdenirorabdeniro Member Posts: 4,406
    edited October 2023
    Have they let you out for a day ?.
  • TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592
    Would Sky be prepared to make a calculation of combined odds that player MILANS has achieved today? I dont get it.

    A player that will call your all ins with one pair (often just bottom pair), holding no low on an all low board for a few hours, multiple hands.... guy wins 5-3 in games....

    Whatever you require sir, we are here to serve.... quite appallingly in your face obviously not mathematically possible......
  • TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592
    Im not even going to put any hands up... just imagine massive compaction of perfect runners and rivers, in big pots with the guy holding what is considered in hi lo as absolutely nothing.
  • TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592
    If i could have played this guy the last 3 weeks with a newsagents non special deck, im not sure id have lost a hand, never mind full games.....

    Is it the site or the player? It has to one or the other, cos that was just as alarming as it gets....
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,475
    I genuinely don't think you should play online poker. The stress you seem to experience far outweighs the limited returns you can get at the level you play.

    Stop playing, content in the thought that you have beaten online PLO8 and maybe spend your energy on chess or something else that doesn't cause you so much aggravation.
  • TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592
    I could. I choose to get to the bottom of things. A couple now starting to look at the facts, which is interesting. A few forum members ive played recently, ive correctly named their hand and what would happen on the river. Wont expose them as promised, but i think they were rather impressed on naming the future cards.

    Along with graphs certain players over thousands of games, that given the way they are playing, is clearly an impossibilty... if you choose to ignore individual hand examples, fine... you cant ignore winning graphs that extreme loose aggressive players are achieving.
  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME Member Posts: 6,289
    edited October 2023
    Why carry on playing on here?

    You obviously aren't doing as well as you used to.

    If you're only getting 2-2 or 3-3 results from your games, you will be losing out to the Rake...... so vote with your feet, and play on another site, instead of just boring us constantly with your theories.

    Even if it's enhanced hands .......so what. Everyone gets as many winning hands from behind as when they're in front..... as seen when you play LIVE with plastic cards. You just don't see it when you win from behind 'coz you think you're entitled to win every hand you play due to your supposed ability, and the fact that you think you're better than everyone you play.

    Maybe you should realise that any hand that gets to the River, will maximise the chance of the other player winning

    GOOD LUCK with whatever you decide to do...... but I recommend touring the sites, playing each one for 2 - 3weeks at a time ;)
  • TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592
    edited October 2023
    Youre loyal.... youre blinkered.... you are happy with your games... you prefer to use the forum rather than to play much..... you have no need to question anything. You are a sites dream player.

    There is not a site that exists, that could survive providing just an authentic poker experience. Show me a site that doesnt have a casino, hyper games, all in one hand games. There is no demand for it.

    Sites can only survive by giving the majority of punters exactly what they want at that point in time.

    At this point in time, they want excitement, they want quick games, they want to win in extremely unlikely circumstances, they want to see twists and turns... there is a massive demand that saw sites produce a £55 'russian roulette' game just to be dealt 5 2 off, that beats AK in one all in hand and all they have to do is watch and not make a decision.... This should give you a clue to what the majority of players want these days from a poker site.

    There is no interest in hands for a player calls off 3 streets of value bets and loses.... they are not going to retain players... the majority of which have been cleverly identified now as high gambling adrenaline junkies... with endless normal hands.
  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 8,996
    You clearly know the score, but not scoring.? I know there is a naughty seat in every game that is going to lose in fact three in sit & Go's .... one in Heads Up
    Laws of averages say you will be in one from the outset. Can you by your play outsmart the Computer. In Tournaments it's now Bingo Bongo fun for Rec's not Reg's

    Do you think poker will suffer from the new kids on the block type poker. !
  • TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592
    So MILANS back for first game since this original post and it still pains me to say i cant get to bet on obvious river cards.... we knowwwwww the riverrrr against this guy, he cant lose!!!!!!
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    MILANSSmall blind10.0010.00900.00
    TheWaddyBig blind20.0030.002070.00
    Your hole cards
    • A
    • 7
    • A
    • 5
    MILANSRaise50.0080.00850.00
    TheWaddyRaise160.00240.001910.00
    MILANSCall120.00360.00730.00
    Flop
    • 5
    • 5
    • 10
    TheWaddyCheck
    MILANSBet270.00630.00460.00
    TheWaddyRaise1170.001800.00740.00
    MILANSAll-in460.002260.000.00
    TheWaddyUnmatched bet440.001820.001180.00
    MILANSShow
    • 9
    • 2
    • J
    • 5
    TheWaddyShow
    • A
    • 7
    • A
    • 5
    Turn
    • 7
    River
    • 9
    MILANSWin highFull House, 5s and 9s1820.001820.00
    No qualifying low hand
  • TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592
    Then get the dream flop hi lo hand against him.... i have to go all in with this guy as he just max's every hand, so you just have to pick a spot.... which i hate with cards to come, but im at least gonna split here surely...
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    TheWaddySmall blind20.0020.001995.00
    MILANSBig blind40.0060.00945.00
    Your hole cards
    • 2
    • A
    • 4
    • 3
    TheWaddyRaise60.00120.001935.00
    MILANSRaise200.00320.00745.00
    TheWaddyCall160.00480.001775.00
    Flop
    • 6
    • 8
    • J
    MILANSBet480.00960.00265.00
    TheWaddyRaise960.001920.00815.00
    MILANSAll-in265.002185.000.00
    TheWaddyUnmatched bet215.001970.001030.00
    TheWaddyShow
    • 2
    • A
    • 4
    • 3
    MILANSShow
    • 10
    • A
    • A
    • 7
    Turn
    • Q
    River
    • 9
    MILANSWin highStraight to the Jack1970.001970.00
    No qualifying low hand
  • TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592
    Then very next hand im tilting, but you have to consider this guy is doing the same move, the same calling reraise with absolutely any 4 cards, so hes unlikely to hold anything strong, usually not even a pair or any draw.... So i have a paired ace and a Q flush draw

    But no he has an extremely random Nut flush, Nut lo draw and gets both......

    So beating MILANS ahould be a formality, but im not beating this guy in a session ever.

    How very odd....
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    MILANSSmall blind20.0020.001950.00
    TheWaddyBig blind40.0060.00990.00
    Your hole cards
    • 7
    • 7
    • A
    • Q
    MILANSRaise100.00160.001850.00
    TheWaddyCall80.00240.00910.00
    Flop
    • 6
    • 10
    • A
    TheWaddyCheck
    MILANSBet240.00480.001610.00
    TheWaddyAll-in910.001390.000.00
    MILANSCall670.002060.00940.00
    MILANSShow
    • A
    • J
    • 2
    • 3
    TheWaddyShow
    • 7
    • 7
    • A
    • Q
    Turn
    • 4
    River
    • 3
    MILANSWin highFlush to the Ace1030.001970.00
    MILANSWin low6-low1030.003000.00
  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,657
    And yet I get none of this "luck" perhaps I'm not loose enough eh.
  • HENDRIK62HENDRIK62 Member Posts: 3,194
    TheWaddy said:

    Then very next hand im tilting, but you have to consider this guy is doing the same move, the same calling reraise with absolutely any 4 cards, so hes unlikely to hold anything strong, usually not even a pair or any draw.... So i have a paired ace and a Q flush draw

    But no he has an extremely random Nut flush, Nut lo draw and gets both......

    So beating MILANS ahould be a formality, but im not beating this guy in a session ever.

    How very odd....

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    MILANSSmall blind20.0020.001950.00
    TheWaddyBig blind40.0060.00990.00
    Your hole cards
    • 7
    • 7
    • A
    • Q
    MILANSRaise100.00160.001850.00
    TheWaddyCall80.00240.00910.00
    Flop
    • 6
    • 10
    • A
    TheWaddyCheck
    MILANSBet240.00480.001610.00
    TheWaddyAll-in910.001390.000.00
    MILANSCall670.002060.00940.00
    MILANSShow
    • A
    • J
    • 2
    • 3
    TheWaddyShow
    • 7
    • 7
    • A
    • Q
    Turn
    • 4
    River
    • 3
    MILANSWin highFlush to the Ace1030.001970.00
    MILANSWin low6-low1030.003000.00
    Imagine raising with As,2,3s,J ......the absolute cheek of it and having the temerity to dominate your q high flush......its just not fair.
  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 8,996
    He's a Scammer swapped the names round so you'll all challenge him...
  • SCOTFOXSCOTFOX Member Posts: 212
    Hi-Lo has never appealed to me, but i enjoy Omaha or 4 card Irish. Betting with dual considerations is always going to be frustrating but the poster continues to plaster this site with his bad beats.I previously dealt this game in casinos when the guy with the button could chose which game he wanted to play. A lot of players 'sat out' if Hi-Lo was called, because it is not a smart choice to play in a cash game.
  • TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592
    HENDRIK62 said:

    TheWaddy said:

    Then very next hand im tilting, but you have to consider this guy is doing the same move, the same calling reraise with absolutely any 4 cards, so hes unlikely to hold anything strong, usually not even a pair or any draw.... So i have a paired ace and a Q flush draw

    But no he has an extremely random Nut flush, Nut lo draw and gets both......

    So beating MILANS ahould be a formality, but im not beating this guy in a session ever.

    How very odd....

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    MILANSSmall blind20.0020.001950.00
    TheWaddyBig blind40.0060.00990.00
    Your hole cards
    • 7
    • 7
    • A
    • Q
    MILANSRaise100.00160.001850.00
    TheWaddyCall80.00240.00910.00
    Flop
    • 6
    • 10
    • A
    TheWaddyCheck
    MILANSBet240.00480.001610.00
    TheWaddyAll-in910.001390.000.00
    MILANSCall670.002060.00940.00
    MILANSShow
    • A
    • J
    • 2
    • 3
    TheWaddyShow
    • 7
    • 7
    • A
    • Q
    Turn
    • 4
    River
    • 3
    MILANSWin highFlush to the Ace1030.001970.00
    MILANSWin low6-low1030.003000.00
    Imagine raising with As,2,3s,J ......the absolute cheek of it and having the temerity to dominate your q high flush......its just not fair.
    You can of course answer and ignore all the background info, just in an attempt to be 'clever'.... this hand would have played exactly the same if he held 99J2, he was not raising because of his hand.... then again u know that....

    He cant, of course win this game, or any game, unless he gets constant things like an ace flush draw against a queen flush draw... and then despite me having 2 blockers, still getting said flush..... In a heads up game......
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