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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,807
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:


    Thanks Tony @HAYSIE


    I'll watch that when I get back home.

    There are a couple of new episodes of 24 Hours in Police Custody.
    There are 2 episodes that aired on 9th September.
    If you go on the app to watch them choose the bottom one first.
    It is entitled The case of a murdered disabled woman takes a major twist.
    They are two episodes of the same story, best to start at the beginning.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xBV1PcF_RI
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,807
    rabdeniro said:

    Watched this last night, don't know how old it is, it's a 4 parter worth a watch ....

    https://youtu.be/fNQIU0NCjU0?si=LpWIG7QTaSdE2nAq

    @Tikay10

    Black Widow: Sky documentary to cover notorious Sussex murder


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/black-widow-sky-documentary-to-cover-notorious-sussex-murder/ar-AA1qsh3J?ocid=BingNewsSerp#fullscreen

    You couldnt make this up.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,807
    HS2: The Railway Blew Billions - BBC Documentary

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSU--FUGII4
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,807
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:


    Thanks Tony @HAYSIE


    I'll watch that when I get back home.

    There are a couple of new episodes of 24 Hours in Police Custody.
    There are 2 episodes that aired on 9th September.
    If you go on the app to watch them choose the bottom one first.
    It is entitled The case of a murdered disabled woman takes a major twist.
    They are two episodes of the same story, best to start at the beginning.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xBV1PcF_RI
    New series has started,
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,807
    HAYSIE said:

    rabdeniro said:

    Watched this last night, don't know how old it is, it's a 4 parter worth a watch ....

    https://youtu.be/fNQIU0NCjU0?si=LpWIG7QTaSdE2nAq

    @Tikay10

    Black Widow: Sky documentary to cover notorious Sussex murder


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/black-widow-sky-documentary-to-cover-notorious-sussex-murder/ar-AA1qsh3J?ocid=BingNewsSerp#fullscreen

    You couldnt make this up.
    Number 2 in the Sky top ten today.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,807
    edited September 26
    This is quite good.
    They have just started on season 8.
    Episode 3 features Tommy Coopers niece.
    The other 7 series are also available to catch up, on Sky Crime.

    Killer In My Village NEW Season 2024 | The Murder of Little Miss Nobody | True-Crime Series


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eQwYn75SKo
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,807
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,807
    HAYSIE said:
    Episode 1 was quite interesting.
    The second guy was up for parole.
    He was serving five years for assaulting a copper.
    He had been released after serving half his sentence.
    He was recalled within 10 hours of his release.
    Nothing is ever his fault.
    His parole was declined.
    If he is not granted parole during the next 18 months, he will automatically be released, without any licence conditions or support from probation.
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,927
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:
    Episode 1 was quite interesting.
    The second guy was up for parole.
    He was serving five years for assaulting a copper.
    He had been released after serving half his sentence.
    He was recalled within 10 hours of his release.
    Nothing is ever his fault.
    His parole was declined.
    If he is not granted parole during the next 18 months, he will automatically be released, without any licence conditions or support from probation.
    I watched it last night and you can see that he's just another crime waiting to happen, which is gonna be bad news for his next victim.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,807
    lucy4 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:
    Episode 1 was quite interesting.
    The second guy was up for parole.
    He was serving five years for assaulting a copper.
    He had been released after serving half his sentence.
    He was recalled within 10 hours of his release.
    Nothing is ever his fault.
    His parole was declined.
    If he is not granted parole during the next 18 months, he will automatically be released, without any licence conditions or support from probation.
    I watched it last night and you can see that he's just another crime waiting to happen, which is gonna be bad news for his next victim.
    I think so.

    Parole, BBC Two, review: insightful docuseries has no easy answers on early release


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/other/parole-bbc-two-review-insightful-docuseries-has-no-easy-answers-on-early-release/ar-AA1rcMtu#fullscreen
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,807
    lucy4 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:
    Episode 1 was quite interesting.
    The second guy was up for parole.
    He was serving five years for assaulting a copper.
    He had been released after serving half his sentence.
    He was recalled within 10 hours of his release.
    Nothing is ever his fault.
    His parole was declined.
    If he is not granted parole during the next 18 months, he will automatically be released, without any licence conditions or support from probation.
    I watched it last night and you can see that he's just another crime waiting to happen, which is gonna be bad news for his next victim.
    It is hard to have sympathy for a guy who onced paroled couldnt manage to stay out for one whole day.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,807
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:
    Episode 1 was quite interesting.
    The second guy was up for parole.
    He was serving five years for assaulting a copper.
    He had been released after serving half his sentence.
    He was recalled within 10 hours of his release.
    Nothing is ever his fault.
    His parole was declined.
    If he is not granted parole during the next 18 months, he will automatically be released, without any licence conditions or support from probation.
    Episode two.
    The guy wasnt the sharpest tool.
    Claimed to have completely changed.
    Yet was unable to explain why he had absconded from an open prison, gone on the run for 4 months, and done a bit of burgling.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,807
    edited September 26
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:
    Episode 1

    Was quite interesting.
    The second guy was up for parole.
    He was serving five years for assaulting a copper.
    He had been released after serving half his sentence.
    He was recalled within 10 hours of his release.
    Nothing is ever his fault.
    His parole was declined.
    If he is not granted parole during the next 18 months, he will automatically be released, without any licence conditions or support from probation.
    Episode two.

    The guy wasnt the sharpest tool.
    Claimed to have completely changed.
    Yet was unable to explain why he had absconded from an open prison, gone on the run for 4 months, and done a bit of burgling.
    Episode three.

    The first guy has been previously paroled three times, and has been recalled each time.

    The second guy actually said that he didnt think that assaulting his ex-wife was domestic violence, it was just something that his Mum and Dad used to regularly do.
    He also absconded from an open prison.

    The end result was no surprise.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,807
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:
    Episode 1

    Was quite interesting.
    The second guy was up for parole.
    He was serving five years for assaulting a copper.
    He had been released after serving half his sentence.
    He was recalled within 10 hours of his release.
    Nothing is ever his fault.
    His parole was declined.
    If he is not granted parole during the next 18 months, he will automatically be released, without any licence conditions or support from probation.
    Episode two.

    The guy wasnt the sharpest tool.
    Claimed to have completely changed.
    Yet was unable to explain why he had absconded from an open prison, gone on the run for 4 months, and done a bit of burgling.
    Episode three.

    The first guy has been previously paroled three times, and has been recalled each time.

    The second guy actually said that he didnt think that assaulting his ex-wife was domestic violence, it was just something that his Mum and Dad used to regularly do.
    He also absconded from an open prison.

    The end result was no surprise.
    Episode 4.

    Features a guy that has been recalled 5 times already, and a 29 year old woman who has never driven a car, or had a job.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,807
    State of Rage review – every minute of this documentary has a quote to stop the heart
    This urgent, illuminating film follows a Palestinian and Israeli family in the West Bank to create a bold and vivid picture of how fierce conflict affects people’s psyches




    It might seem that State of Rage is a documentary that has been overtaken by events. The subject matter is the West Bank, in the Palestinian occupied territories – as it airs, Israel’s new bombardment of Lebanon and continuing destruction of Gaza have relegated its West Bank activities to newspapers’ inside pages.

    But by taking us into two households, one in the Palestinian city of Jenin and the other in the Israeli settlement of Havat Gilad – a community built on land taken from the Palestinians, as part of a process of expansion of Israeli territory that is illegal under international law – Marcel Mettelsiefen’s film offers an urgent, clarifying picture of the psychology of the occupier, and of the occupied. While vividly capturing the contemporary state of play on the ground, the voice it gives to Israeli and Palestinian youth also casts a bleak vision of the future. Every minute of it contains a quote to stop the heart.

    The main protagonists are two sets of sisters. In Jenin, we meet Jana and Heba, both 10 years old. The first question they answer is to give their definition of peace. “Peace will come when the Israelis no longer enter our camp. When we can live our childhood,” says Jana, although her immediate concern is getting her bike fixed. Her father, Haitham, knows a guy who can do the necessary spot-welding. Haitham promises to take the bicycle to him the following day – unless, of course, “the army comes”, in which case nobody will be able to do anything. Later on, dad and daughter chat about how they will cope now they have lost their family car, which has been crushed by an Israeli bulldozer. Haitham struggles to rescue items from the twisted metal of the boot.

    Over in Havat Gilad, Renana, 16, and Naomi, 14, are more upbeat, in their roomy house with its extensive valley views. “I woke up this morning in the mood to destroy Gaza,” says Naomi to an informal kitchen gathering of family and friends. “You know, an energetic mood.” Their talk is of driving the Palestinians out of land that they believe belongs entirely to Israel; as they look out across the valley towards a Palestinian village, they fantasise about all the inhabitants being evicted. “This younger age group is very strong minded,” says their mother, Yael. “It’s clear [to them] that we are the good guys and they are the bad guys.”

    Back in Jenin, the bad guys – Jana and Heba – are on an adventure, picking over the remnants of a recent missile attack. “This looks like skin,” says Heba. “There, it is! Do you see the blood coming out of it?” When they are back inside, they are quizzed on how they feel they should deal with living under occupation. “We must defend ourselves and fight them. We shouldn’t remain silent while they kill us,” says Jana. “Every little child should carry a weapon and resist.” Once again: Jana is 10 years old.

    The contrast is stark, but it turns out that, although their present day-to-day existence is far safer and more comfortable than the kids in Jenin, the girls in Havat Gilad are also acting out of fear and grief. Renana and Naomi’s father, a rabbi, was killed in a drive-by shooting near the Palestinian city of Nablus in 2018.

    State of Rage, we now see, is bold in its choice of which Israelis to feature. Actively participating in an illegal settlement project is an act of belligerence; our default view of people who do that has to be negative. But focusing on children who didn’t make that decision themselves and have now suffered a devastating personal tragedy risks promoting a false equivalence where both sides are victims in a cycle of violence where nothing much can be done. Seeking out the daughters of a man murdered by a Palestinian might be mistaken for a choice a documentary-maker would make if they were desperate to engender sympathy for the settlers.

    That, however, is not Mettelsiefen’s intention. This one settler family stands as a representation of the Israeli national psyche in the wake of 7 October, and the debate over whether to respond to calamity with a previously unseen level of aggression. Eventually it is revealed that while losing their father has radicalised Renana and Naomi, losing her husband has made Yael travel in the other direction. When Renana announces her intention to join the Israeli army, Yael suggests she sign up for a less bellicose form of national service. “No, I want a weapon,” Renana says, firmly. “That’s how I’ll help the most, by killing people.

    “Not people,” she corrects herself. “Arabs. Monkeys.”

    Yael looks lost and powerless, as if there has been a battle that she knows she has lost. Her closing words sum up the moment State of Rage is capturing. “The tragedy is that right now, we are marking everyone as the enemy,” she says. “We are at a crossroads … we have to understand what this means for us as a people. Is this really the nation we want to become?”

    State of Rage aired on Channel 4 and is available online

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/sep/29/state-of-rage-review-every-minute-of-this-documentary-has-a-quote-to-stop-the-heart#:~:text=We would like to show you a description here but
  • HENDRIK62HENDRIK62 Member Posts: 3,201
    HAYSIE said:

    State of Rage review – every minute of this documentary has a quote to stop the heart
    This urgent, illuminating film follows a Palestinian and Israeli family in the West Bank to create a bold and vivid picture of how fierce conflict affects people’s psyches




    It might seem that State of Rage is a documentary that has been overtaken by events. The subject matter is the West Bank, in the Palestinian occupied territories – as it airs, Israel’s new bombardment of Lebanon and continuing destruction of Gaza have relegated its West Bank activities to newspapers’ inside pages.

    But by taking us into two households, one in the Palestinian city of Jenin and the other in the Israeli settlement of Havat Gilad – a community built on land taken from the Palestinians, as part of a process of expansion of Israeli territory that is illegal under international law – Marcel Mettelsiefen’s film offers an urgent, clarifying picture of the psychology of the occupier, and of the occupied. While vividly capturing the contemporary state of play on the ground, the voice it gives to Israeli and Palestinian youth also casts a bleak vision of the future. Every minute of it contains a quote to stop the heart.

    The main protagonists are two sets of sisters. In Jenin, we meet Jana and Heba, both 10 years old. The first question they answer is to give their definition of peace. “Peace will come when the Israelis no longer enter our camp. When we can live our childhood,” says Jana, although her immediate concern is getting her bike fixed. Her father, Haitham, knows a guy who can do the necessary spot-welding. Haitham promises to take the bicycle to him the following day – unless, of course, “the army comes”, in which case nobody will be able to do anything. Later on, dad and daughter chat about how they will cope now they have lost their family car, which has been crushed by an Israeli bulldozer. Haitham struggles to rescue items from the twisted metal of the boot.

    Over in Havat Gilad, Renana, 16, and Naomi, 14, are more upbeat, in their roomy house with its extensive valley views. “I woke up this morning in the mood to destroy Gaza,” says Naomi to an informal kitchen gathering of family and friends. “You know, an energetic mood.” Their talk is of driving the Palestinians out of land that they believe belongs entirely to Israel; as they look out across the valley towards a Palestinian village, they fantasise about all the inhabitants being evicted. “This younger age group is very strong minded,” says their mother, Yael. “It’s clear [to them] that we are the good guys and they are the bad guys.”

    Back in Jenin, the bad guys – Jana and Heba – are on an adventure, picking over the remnants of a recent missile attack. “This looks like skin,” says Heba. “There, it is! Do you see the blood coming out of it?” When they are back inside, they are quizzed on how they feel they should deal with living under occupation. “We must defend ourselves and fight them. We shouldn’t remain silent while they kill us,” says Jana. “Every little child should carry a weapon and resist.” Once again: Jana is 10 years old.

    The contrast is stark, but it turns out that, although their present day-to-day existence is far safer and more comfortable than the kids in Jenin, the girls in Havat Gilad are also acting out of fear and grief. Renana and Naomi’s father, a rabbi, was killed in a drive-by shooting near the Palestinian city of Nablus in 2018.

    State of Rage, we now see, is bold in its choice of which Israelis to feature. Actively participating in an illegal settlement project is an act of belligerence; our default view of people who do that has to be negative. But focusing on children who didn’t make that decision themselves and have now suffered a devastating personal tragedy risks promoting a false equivalence where both sides are victims in a cycle of violence where nothing much can be done. Seeking out the daughters of a man murdered by a Palestinian might be mistaken for a choice a documentary-maker would make if they were desperate to engender sympathy for the settlers.

    That, however, is not Mettelsiefen’s intention. This one settler family stands as a representation of the Israeli national psyche in the wake of 7 October, and the debate over whether to respond to calamity with a previously unseen level of aggression. Eventually it is revealed that while losing their father has radicalised Renana and Naomi, losing her husband has made Yael travel in the other direction. When Renana announces her intention to join the Israeli army, Yael suggests she sign up for a less bellicose form of national service. “No, I want a weapon,” Renana says, firmly. “That’s how I’ll help the most, by killing people.

    “Not people,” she corrects herself. “Arabs. Monkeys.”

    Yael looks lost and powerless, as if there has been a battle that she knows she has lost. Her closing words sum up the moment State of Rage is capturing. “The tragedy is that right now, we are marking everyone as the enemy,” she says. “We are at a crossroads … we have to understand what this means for us as a people. Is this really the nation we want to become?”

    State of Rage aired on Channel 4 and is available online

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/sep/29/state-of-rage-review-every-minute-of-this-documentary-has-a-quote-to-stop-the-heart#:~:text=We would like to show you a description here but

    just watched this tonight, so much to unpack.....bottom line is i can never see there being peace in that region unfortunately, I was trying desperately to stay neutral but it was really difficult particularly in one scene when the israeli girl is chanting about Gaza.

    definitely worth watching
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,807
    HENDRIK62 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    State of Rage review – every minute of this documentary has a quote to stop the heart
    This urgent, illuminating film follows a Palestinian and Israeli family in the West Bank to create a bold and vivid picture of how fierce conflict affects people’s psyches




    It might seem that State of Rage is a documentary that has been overtaken by events. The subject matter is the West Bank, in the Palestinian occupied territories – as it airs, Israel’s new bombardment of Lebanon and continuing destruction of Gaza have relegated its West Bank activities to newspapers’ inside pages.

    But by taking us into two households, one in the Palestinian city of Jenin and the other in the Israeli settlement of Havat Gilad – a community built on land taken from the Palestinians, as part of a process of expansion of Israeli territory that is illegal under international law – Marcel Mettelsiefen’s film offers an urgent, clarifying picture of the psychology of the occupier, and of the occupied. While vividly capturing the contemporary state of play on the ground, the voice it gives to Israeli and Palestinian youth also casts a bleak vision of the future. Every minute of it contains a quote to stop the heart.

    The main protagonists are two sets of sisters. In Jenin, we meet Jana and Heba, both 10 years old. The first question they answer is to give their definition of peace. “Peace will come when the Israelis no longer enter our camp. When we can live our childhood,” says Jana, although her immediate concern is getting her bike fixed. Her father, Haitham, knows a guy who can do the necessary spot-welding. Haitham promises to take the bicycle to him the following day – unless, of course, “the army comes”, in which case nobody will be able to do anything. Later on, dad and daughter chat about how they will cope now they have lost their family car, which has been crushed by an Israeli bulldozer. Haitham struggles to rescue items from the twisted metal of the boot.

    Over in Havat Gilad, Renana, 16, and Naomi, 14, are more upbeat, in their roomy house with its extensive valley views. “I woke up this morning in the mood to destroy Gaza,” says Naomi to an informal kitchen gathering of family and friends. “You know, an energetic mood.” Their talk is of driving the Palestinians out of land that they believe belongs entirely to Israel; as they look out across the valley towards a Palestinian village, they fantasise about all the inhabitants being evicted. “This younger age group is very strong minded,” says their mother, Yael. “It’s clear [to them] that we are the good guys and they are the bad guys.”

    Back in Jenin, the bad guys – Jana and Heba – are on an adventure, picking over the remnants of a recent missile attack. “This looks like skin,” says Heba. “There, it is! Do you see the blood coming out of it?” When they are back inside, they are quizzed on how they feel they should deal with living under occupation. “We must defend ourselves and fight them. We shouldn’t remain silent while they kill us,” says Jana. “Every little child should carry a weapon and resist.” Once again: Jana is 10 years old.

    The contrast is stark, but it turns out that, although their present day-to-day existence is far safer and more comfortable than the kids in Jenin, the girls in Havat Gilad are also acting out of fear and grief. Renana and Naomi’s father, a rabbi, was killed in a drive-by shooting near the Palestinian city of Nablus in 2018.

    State of Rage, we now see, is bold in its choice of which Israelis to feature. Actively participating in an illegal settlement project is an act of belligerence; our default view of people who do that has to be negative. But focusing on children who didn’t make that decision themselves and have now suffered a devastating personal tragedy risks promoting a false equivalence where both sides are victims in a cycle of violence where nothing much can be done. Seeking out the daughters of a man murdered by a Palestinian might be mistaken for a choice a documentary-maker would make if they were desperate to engender sympathy for the settlers.

    That, however, is not Mettelsiefen’s intention. This one settler family stands as a representation of the Israeli national psyche in the wake of 7 October, and the debate over whether to respond to calamity with a previously unseen level of aggression. Eventually it is revealed that while losing their father has radicalised Renana and Naomi, losing her husband has made Yael travel in the other direction. When Renana announces her intention to join the Israeli army, Yael suggests she sign up for a less bellicose form of national service. “No, I want a weapon,” Renana says, firmly. “That’s how I’ll help the most, by killing people.

    “Not people,” she corrects herself. “Arabs. Monkeys.”

    Yael looks lost and powerless, as if there has been a battle that she knows she has lost. Her closing words sum up the moment State of Rage is capturing. “The tragedy is that right now, we are marking everyone as the enemy,” she says. “We are at a crossroads … we have to understand what this means for us as a people. Is this really the nation we want to become?”

    State of Rage aired on Channel 4 and is available online

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/sep/29/state-of-rage-review-every-minute-of-this-documentary-has-a-quote-to-stop-the-heart#:~:text=We would like to show you a description here but

    just watched this tonight, so much to unpack.....bottom line is i can never see there being peace in that region unfortunately, I was trying desperately to stay neutral but it was really difficult particularly in one scene when the israeli girl is chanting about Gaza.

    definitely worth watching
    Definitely.
    Unless there are changes there will never be peace.
    So much hate.
    Little kids are taught to hate.
    The next generation, and the one after are already in place on both sides.

    In order for there to be peace, both sides would have draw a line.
    Doesnt look like that will happen anytime soom.
    Tit fot tat never ends.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,528

    It was SO depressing.

    Lots of folks are finger-pointing without really understanding the problem, & how we got here. It should be mandatory to teach this stuff in schools so that folks understand it better.

    And sadly, I agree, there'll not be a solution in our lifetimes. So much hate, & neither side willing or able to say "let's start again".
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,528
    edited October 1
    After I watched that, I was watching a summary of the weekend's football, & a Man U fan rang in hooting & hollering to complain that United's dismal performance "totally ruined his weekend".

    He does not know how lucky he is, does he? See how a weekend living in Gaza or Southern Lebanon works out for you pal.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,807
    Into The Fire: The Lost Daughter | Official Trailer | Netflix

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GySqnNzeCzI
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