DYM bubble POLL

Spike4000

so, new one this time. THIS IS A TURBO DYM WHERE STARTING STACK IS 1000. 6 runners. we have K-4 suited on the button. we are 4/4 on button with 800 chips (5.3bb) and the blinds are 75/150. it folds to us. the sb has 1200 and the bb has 1600. the folded player behind us had 2400. WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? (hope this was enough info for you guys)

Spike4000

shove

WAY less engagement in this one, is it because of the structure being a DYM and less people play them so less people care? @Tikay10 thoughts?

Tikay10

Spike4000 said:

WAY less engagement in this one, is it because of the structure being a DYM and less people play them so less people care? @Tikay10 thoughts?

@Spike4000

It's very hard to predict sometimes what will or will not get engagement. I've been trying for over 16 years & still find it hard to predict what will or won't be popular.

It may be, as you suggest, because it's a DYM where the decisions can often be less complex.

FWIW, I'm jamming the K-4 but it'll be hard to get called by worse so I'm hoping I get two folds. Or get lucky.

Spike4000

shove

could just be that this spot is easier so less complex as you said...

i am also shoving the K4 every day of the week.

Jac35

You probably need to add a picture of a golfer in shorts to up the interaction

Spike4000

shove

ah, duely noted. @Jac35

Doubleme

shove

I cant think of much circumstances that would lead to me doing anything but shoving here.
I mean even if I believe strongly that there is collusion cheating going on and I am likely to be called wide I think this is still a shove. The fact is we are the weakest stack and will likely lose fold equity if we dont make moves soon.
in a standard spin and go this would be a shove which is basically cash game structure as it is winner take all.
Here however if the small blind and big blind are playing optimally then they should be calling wider then that.

you cant really min raise here as that is to much of your stack to fold and what do you do if the bb flats and you totally miss the flop?

The only possible reason for any other player other then a shove here is if we know for a fact that SB folds the vast majority of their range here to complete only half a blind and BB will literally check fold unless they hit a strong flop.

Even with those circumstances I suspect the math would still show a shove is preferable unless you factor in BB will call your shove very wide and even then I would suspect the math would favour a shove. However I am guessing at that point because I have not tried to work out the math for this spot because it is so niche and rare all the circumstances would line up for this that it wouldnt be worth studying.

gregkdy82

shove

clear shove

Spike4000

shove

the majority are definitely correct here, it is 1000% a shove. well done

TheEdge949

fold

Never shoving into the bigger stacked blinds with K 4.

One gappers, suited cards, double paint, any pair, any ace, connected cards. Yes, they're all a shove, but not K 4, especially as the player who is 3/4 is the bb next hand and that's where I'm looking to put the pressure on.

Jac35

Spike4000 said:

the majority are definitely correct here, it is 1000% a shove. well done

Whilst the shove will be correct the vast amount of the time it won’t always be the case here
We know that a shove should fold out many hands
However, not everyone plays correctly
Without knowing who the blinds are it doesn’t make it an automatic shove.
Notes on opponents in a small player pool are vital

coo1-um

I’m folding. Maybe that’s too tight. For the reasons @TheEdge949 said. See the likes of J6 offsuit call here too often even against that we are only winning 3 out of 5.

green_beer

shove

i read once about broomcorns uncle......dont wanna be like that guy

destinycod

shove

TheEdge949 said:

Never shoving into the bigger stacked blinds with K 4.

One gappers, suited cards, double paint, any pair, any ace, connected cards. Yes, they're all a shove, but not K 4, especially as the player who is 3/4 is the bb next hand and that's where I'm looking to put the pressure on.

I think K4 is a much better shove than suited cards (say 98 suited) due to having a King and blocking your opponents calling ranges.

I would always put the majority of my chips in middle in this spot, say 600, which leaves the option of folding if both blinds go all in afterwards with the intent to call off if one player calls/shoves after us.