Home Office ‘loses’ 17,000 people whose asylum claims were withdrawn

HAYSIE

As immigration soars, the Tories have totally ignored their voters


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/as-immigration-soars-the-tories-have-totally-ignored-their-voters/ar-AA1kp9Hg?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=395b5585cbd64828a73b5cb5f408f906&ei=68

VespaPX

Never ending story..........

VespaPX

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1727752926289137705?s=20

HAYSIE

Tories at war as Braverman attacks Sunak over ‘slap in face’ record migration numbers


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/suella-braverman-claims-sunak-failure-161925995.html

HAYSIE

HAYSIE

HAYSIE

Tikay10

The Tory Party Civil War is well & truly under way.

Ms Braverman is teaching Mr Sunak the meaning of....



“Keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer.”

HAYSIE

Tikay10 said:

The Tory Party Civil War is well & truly under way.

Ms Braverman is teaching Mr Sunak the meaning of....



“Keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer.”

I thought he fired her.

green_beer

Do you think if sunak gets the shove we will get an election?

Has there ever been so many different PMs without an election before?

Essexphil

Immigration is not only out of control-it is hopelessly racist and elitist.

This Government concentrates on the 30,000-ish a year that are "illegals"-the ones fleeing war and persecution. Mainly African people.

Whereas 130,000 student visas were granted to Indian nationals last year. And a further 108,000 to Chinese nationals.

That is 238,000 people. About the same number as the total number of people who left the UK last year to every single non-EU nation combined. Including UK nationals. Including every expat returning to replaced by another expat. Australia, the USA-pretty much everywhere. Not just students at the end of their course-everyone.

We concentrate on salary levels for visas. When it should really be about whether someone is coming in to do a job that a UK person can do/is willing to do. Or not.

We vilify desperate people paying money to gangmasters. And wave in children of wealthy people who pay Universities instead. And make little or no investigation as to how or why the majority seem never to leave.

Because middle-class immigration seems to be treated differently.

HAYSIE

Essexphil said:

Immigration is not only out of control-it is hopelessly racist and elitist.

This Government concentrates on the 30,000-ish a year that are "illegals"-the ones fleeing war and persecution. Mainly African people.

Whereas 130,000 student visas were granted to Indian nationals last year. And a further 108,000 to Chinese nationals.

That is 238,000 people. About the same number as the total number of people who left the UK last year to every single non-EU nation combined. Including UK nationals. Including every expat returning to replaced by another expat. Australia, the USA-pretty much everywhere. Not just students at the end of their course-everyone.

We concentrate on salary levels for visas. When it should really be about whether someone is coming in to do a job that a UK person can do/is willing to do. Or not.

We vilify desperate people paying money to gangmasters. And wave in children of wealthy people who pay Universities instead. And make little or no investigation as to how or why the majority seem never to leave.

Because middle-class immigration seems to be treated differently.

Students dependants are also a problem.

Essexphil

HAYSIE said:

Essexphil said:

Immigration is not only out of control-it is hopelessly racist and elitist.

This Government concentrates on the 30,000-ish a year that are "illegals"-the ones fleeing war and persecution. Mainly African people.

Whereas 130,000 student visas were granted to Indian nationals last year. And a further 108,000 to Chinese nationals.

That is 238,000 people. About the same number as the total number of people who left the UK last year to every single non-EU nation combined. Including UK nationals. Including every expat returning to replaced by another expat. Australia, the USA-pretty much everywhere. Not just students at the end of their course-everyone.

We concentrate on salary levels for visas. When it should really be about whether someone is coming in to do a job that a UK person can do/is willing to do. Or not.

We vilify desperate people paying money to gangmasters. And wave in children of wealthy people who pay Universities instead. And make little or no investigation as to how or why the majority seem never to leave.

Because middle-class immigration seems to be treated differently.

Students dependants are also a problem.

Returning to household bills, to show the example.

We have a Bill for £1130. The bill is made up of 3 items. £600 for students. £500 for workers. And £30 for people arriving by boat.

We concentrate all our efforts on the £30 part of the bill. Willing to spend any amount of money, and break any international laws to remove that £30. Vilifying them. Not assessing who has value (monetary or otherwise).

Meanwhile the £1100 part of the bill is largely ignored. Little or no investigation as to why people do not leave. Little or no investigation as to the value of courses or jobs.

Because anyone can see that, like with everything, there are people who should be here. And people who should not. And nothing is being done to try and ensure that the right people stay. And the right people do not.

I'm not saying that is simple. What I am saying is that there seems to be no effort to try and provide any sort of guidelines as to which humanitarian, and which economic, migrants should be staying.

Together with money wasted on political ideology. As opposed to actually processing, and monitoring, applications.

HAYSIE

Essexphil said:

HAYSIE said:

Essexphil said:

Immigration is not only out of control-it is hopelessly racist and elitist.

This Government concentrates on the 30,000-ish a year that are "illegals"-the ones fleeing war and persecution. Mainly African people.

Whereas 130,000 student visas were granted to Indian nationals last year. And a further 108,000 to Chinese nationals.

That is 238,000 people. About the same number as the total number of people who left the UK last year to every single non-EU nation combined. Including UK nationals. Including every expat returning to replaced by another expat. Australia, the USA-pretty much everywhere. Not just students at the end of their course-everyone.

We concentrate on salary levels for visas. When it should really be about whether someone is coming in to do a job that a UK person can do/is willing to do. Or not.

We vilify desperate people paying money to gangmasters. And wave in children of wealthy people who pay Universities instead. And make little or no investigation as to how or why the majority seem never to leave.

Because middle-class immigration seems to be treated differently.

Students dependants are also a problem.

Returning to household bills, to show the example.

We have a Bill for £1130. The bill is made up of 3 items. £600 for students. £500 for workers. And £30 for people arriving by boat.

We concentrate all our efforts on the £30 part of the bill. Willing to spend any amount of money, and break any international laws to remove that £30. Vilifying them. Not assessing who has value (monetary or otherwise).

Meanwhile the £1100 part of the bill is largely ignored. Little or no investigation as to why people do not leave. Little or no investigation as to the value of courses or jobs.

Because anyone can see that, like with everything, there are people who should be here. And people who should not. And nothing is being done to try and ensure that the right people stay. And the right people do not.

I'm not saying that is simple. What I am saying is that there seems to be no effort to try and provide any sort of guidelines as to which humanitarian, and which economic, migrants should be staying.

Together with money wasted on political ideology. As opposed to actually processing, and monitoring, applications.

The government dont seem to make much of an effort to keep track of those entering the country on visas.
Many students arrive with extended family, and subsequently apply for asylum, others just overstay, and get lost.
It rarely takes the private sector years to come up with solutions that patently dont work.

Essexphil

The Rwanda nonsense is the most ridiculous bit.

Even if it were to be allowed, it is going to deal with a tiny fraction of the tiny fraction that is illegal immigration. At a cost way higher than dealing with the applications ourselves, or asking France to do it.

In their desperate attempts to save their grand plan, this Government is taking us for fools. For example, their latest "wisdom" is to say that Rwanda will process the applications for the UK (as opposed to Rwanda) and will return the unsuccessful to the UK.

Which means we could no longer claim that these poor people were here illegally. As well as turning a waste of money and resources into an even bigger waste.

Tikay10

Essexphil said:

HAYSIE said:

Essexphil said:

Immigration is not only out of control-it is hopelessly racist and elitist.

This Government concentrates on the 30,000-ish a year that are "illegals"-the ones fleeing war and persecution. Mainly African people.

Whereas 130,000 student visas were granted to Indian nationals last year. And a further 108,000 to Chinese nationals.

That is 238,000 people. About the same number as the total number of people who left the UK last year to every single non-EU nation combined. Including UK nationals. Including every expat returning to replaced by another expat. Australia, the USA-pretty much everywhere. Not just students at the end of their course-everyone.

We concentrate on salary levels for visas. When it should really be about whether someone is coming in to do a job that a UK person can do/is willing to do. Or not.

We vilify desperate people paying money to gangmasters. And wave in children of wealthy people who pay Universities instead. And make little or no investigation as to how or why the majority seem never to leave.

Because middle-class immigration seems to be treated differently.

Students dependants are also a problem.

Returning to household bills, to show the example.

We have a Bill for £1130. The bill is made up of 3 items. £600 for students. £500 for workers. And £30 for people arriving by boat.

We concentrate all our efforts on the £30 part of the bill. Willing to spend any amount of money, and break any international laws to remove that £30. Vilifying them. Not assessing who has value (monetary or otherwise).

Meanwhile the £1100 part of the bill is largely ignored. Little or no investigation as to why people do not leave. Little or no investigation as to the value of courses or jobs.

Because anyone can see that, like with everything, there are people who should be here. And people who should not. And nothing is being done to try and ensure that the right people stay. And the right people do not.

I'm not saying that is simple. What I am saying is that there seems to be no effort to try and provide any sort of guidelines as to which humanitarian, and which economic, migrants should be staying.

Together with money wasted on political ideology. As opposed to actually processing, and monitoring, applications.

@Essexphil


Wow, I never realised that.

All we ever hear about is "stop the boats", whereas the real problem is elsewhere.

Great post imo.

Essexphil

One idea from the Labour Party makes a great deal of sense.

When a Company says it has to import people from abroad because there are skills shortages, they will have to pay an amount for UK education and training.

HAYSIE

HAYSIE said:

Essexphil said:

HAYSIE said:

Essexphil said:

Immigration is not only out of control-it is hopelessly racist and elitist.

This Government concentrates on the 30,000-ish a year that are "illegals"-the ones fleeing war and persecution. Mainly African people.

Whereas 130,000 student visas were granted to Indian nationals last year. And a further 108,000 to Chinese nationals.

That is 238,000 people. About the same number as the total number of people who left the UK last year to every single non-EU nation combined. Including UK nationals. Including every expat returning to replaced by another expat. Australia, the USA-pretty much everywhere. Not just students at the end of their course-everyone.

We concentrate on salary levels for visas. When it should really be about whether someone is coming in to do a job that a UK person can do/is willing to do. Or not.

We vilify desperate people paying money to gangmasters. And wave in children of wealthy people who pay Universities instead. And make little or no investigation as to how or why the majority seem never to leave.

Because middle-class immigration seems to be treated differently.

Students dependants are also a problem.

Returning to household bills, to show the example.

We have a Bill for £1130. The bill is made up of 3 items. £600 for students. £500 for workers. And £30 for people arriving by boat.

We concentrate all our efforts on the £30 part of the bill. Willing to spend any amount of money, and break any international laws to remove that £30. Vilifying them. Not assessing who has value (monetary or otherwise).

Meanwhile the £1100 part of the bill is largely ignored. Little or no investigation as to why people do not leave. Little or no investigation as to the value of courses or jobs.

Because anyone can see that, like with everything, there are people who should be here. And people who should not. And nothing is being done to try and ensure that the right people stay. And the right people do not.

I'm not saying that is simple. What I am saying is that there seems to be no effort to try and provide any sort of guidelines as to which humanitarian, and which economic, migrants should be staying.

Together with money wasted on political ideology. As opposed to actually processing, and monitoring, applications.

The government dont seem to make much of an effort to keep track of those entering the country on visas.
Many students arrive with extended family, and subsequently apply for asylum, others just overstay, and get lost.
It rarely takes the private sector years to come up with solutions that patently dont work.

Also, increasing the salary threshold would seem silly.
This is unlikely to do anything to address shortages of nurses, care workers, the hospitality sector, or agriculture, etc,etc.

Essexphil

HAYSIE said:

HAYSIE said:

Essexphil said:

HAYSIE said:

Essexphil said:

Immigration is not only out of control-it is hopelessly racist and elitist.

This Government concentrates on the 30,000-ish a year that are "illegals"-the ones fleeing war and persecution. Mainly African people.

Whereas 130,000 student visas were granted to Indian nationals last year. And a further 108,000 to Chinese nationals.

That is 238,000 people. About the same number as the total number of people who left the UK last year to every single non-EU nation combined. Including UK nationals. Including every expat returning to replaced by another expat. Australia, the USA-pretty much everywhere. Not just students at the end of their course-everyone.

We concentrate on salary levels for visas. When it should really be about whether someone is coming in to do a job that a UK person can do/is willing to do. Or not.

We vilify desperate people paying money to gangmasters. And wave in children of wealthy people who pay Universities instead. And make little or no investigation as to how or why the majority seem never to leave.

Because middle-class immigration seems to be treated differently.

Students dependants are also a problem.

Returning to household bills, to show the example.

We have a Bill for £1130. The bill is made up of 3 items. £600 for students. £500 for workers. And £30 for people arriving by boat.

We concentrate all our efforts on the £30 part of the bill. Willing to spend any amount of money, and break any international laws to remove that £30. Vilifying them. Not assessing who has value (monetary or otherwise).

Meanwhile the £1100 part of the bill is largely ignored. Little or no investigation as to why people do not leave. Little or no investigation as to the value of courses or jobs.

Because anyone can see that, like with everything, there are people who should be here. And people who should not. And nothing is being done to try and ensure that the right people stay. And the right people do not.

I'm not saying that is simple. What I am saying is that there seems to be no effort to try and provide any sort of guidelines as to which humanitarian, and which economic, migrants should be staying.

Together with money wasted on political ideology. As opposed to actually processing, and monitoring, applications.

The government dont seem to make much of an effort to keep track of those entering the country on visas.
Many students arrive with extended family, and subsequently apply for asylum, others just overstay, and get lost.
It rarely takes the private sector years to come up with solutions that patently dont work.

Also, increasing the salary threshold would seem silly.
This is unlikely to do anything to address shortages of nurses, care workers, the hospitality sector, or agriculture, etc,etc.

There needs to be 2 separate wage thresholds. A lower one for the sorts of jobs you mention.

And a higher one for other sectors.

HAYSIE

Essexphil said:

HAYSIE said:

HAYSIE said:

Essexphil said:

HAYSIE said:

Essexphil said:

Immigration is not only out of control-it is hopelessly racist and elitist.

This Government concentrates on the 30,000-ish a year that are "illegals"-the ones fleeing war and persecution. Mainly African people.

Whereas 130,000 student visas were granted to Indian nationals last year. And a further 108,000 to Chinese nationals.

That is 238,000 people. About the same number as the total number of people who left the UK last year to every single non-EU nation combined. Including UK nationals. Including every expat returning to replaced by another expat. Australia, the USA-pretty much everywhere. Not just students at the end of their course-everyone.

We concentrate on salary levels for visas. When it should really be about whether someone is coming in to do a job that a UK person can do/is willing to do. Or not.

We vilify desperate people paying money to gangmasters. And wave in children of wealthy people who pay Universities instead. And make little or no investigation as to how or why the majority seem never to leave.

Because middle-class immigration seems to be treated differently.

Students dependants are also a problem.

Returning to household bills, to show the example.

We have a Bill for £1130. The bill is made up of 3 items. £600 for students. £500 for workers. And £30 for people arriving by boat.

We concentrate all our efforts on the £30 part of the bill. Willing to spend any amount of money, and break any international laws to remove that £30. Vilifying them. Not assessing who has value (monetary or otherwise).

Meanwhile the £1100 part of the bill is largely ignored. Little or no investigation as to why people do not leave. Little or no investigation as to the value of courses or jobs.

Because anyone can see that, like with everything, there are people who should be here. And people who should not. And nothing is being done to try and ensure that the right people stay. And the right people do not.

I'm not saying that is simple. What I am saying is that there seems to be no effort to try and provide any sort of guidelines as to which humanitarian, and which economic, migrants should be staying.

Together with money wasted on political ideology. As opposed to actually processing, and monitoring, applications.

The government dont seem to make much of an effort to keep track of those entering the country on visas.
Many students arrive with extended family, and subsequently apply for asylum, others just overstay, and get lost.
It rarely takes the private sector years to come up with solutions that patently dont work.

Also, increasing the salary threshold would seem silly.
This is unlikely to do anything to address shortages of nurses, care workers, the hospitality sector, or agriculture, etc,etc.

There needs to be 2 separate wage thresholds. A lower one for the sorts of jobs you mention.

And a higher one for other sectors.

Then why have one?

HAYSIE

Tory minister Robert Jenrick takes swipe at PM as he admits visa failures after mauling


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-minister-robert-jenrick-takes-swipe-at-pm-as-he-admits-visa-failures-after-mauling/ar-AA1kFrjv?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c3e2f346663e4c649346d108112f2500&ei=38