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Police and social services were alerted 60 times before Alfie Steele was murdered

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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 168,881
    edited January 27
    I'm not interested in apportioning blame, plenty others will take care of that, but what an utterly horrific story this is. That poor boy was slowly & systematically tortured for years before eventually being murdered by holding him under ice-cold water in the bathtub. It's beyond imagination.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,571
    Tikay10 said:


    I'm not interested in apportioning blame, plenty others will take care of that, but what n utterly horrific story this is. That poor boy was slowly & systematically tortured for years before eventually being murdered by holding him under ice-cold water in the bathtub. It's beyond imagination.

    Can anything improve if no blame is attached?
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,672
    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:


    I'm not interested in apportioning blame, plenty others will take care of that, but what n utterly horrific story this is. That poor boy was slowly & systematically tortured for years before eventually being murdered by holding him under ice-cold water in the bathtub. It's beyond imagination.

    Can anything improve if no blame is attached?
    Only if blame is apportioned correctly.

    The public don't want to pay the large amount of money required to provide more protection.

    The Police are forced to take on a role which they are neither trained nor suited to do-simply because there is no money provided for specialist services.

    Meanwhile, people want to blame the under-resourced and undertrained people.

    Because it is so much easier than blaming ourselves. Because we refuse to pay for it. And refuse to elect people who want to.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,571
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:


    I'm not interested in apportioning blame, plenty others will take care of that, but what n utterly horrific story this is. That poor boy was slowly & systematically tortured for years before eventually being murdered by holding him under ice-cold water in the bathtub. It's beyond imagination.

    Can anything improve if no blame is attached?
    Only if blame is apportioned correctly.

    The public don't want to pay the large amount of money required to provide more protection.

    The Police are forced to take on a role which they are neither trained nor suited to do-simply because there is no money provided for specialist services.

    Meanwhile, people want to blame the under-resourced and undertrained people.

    Because it is so much easier than blaming ourselves. Because we refuse to pay for it. And refuse to elect people who want to.
    My point is that unless you attach blame for these tragedies, then they will continue to occur.
    This is a shocking story.
    Some of the recent stories appear to have been exacerbated due to a failure to respond by the police.
    Are they just refusing to respond in certain circumstances?
    If so alternative arrangement need to be made.

    I made the point in the case of Bronson Battersby .
    Social Services spotted an emergency.
    Well done to them for acting quickly.
    Although it seems that their next step in order to resolve the situation, was to contact the police.
    Despite the fact that the Social Services response was timely, the police did not respond in 7 days.
    Therefore is it not imperative that the next step doesnt involve the police.
    And if this is the case, what is the next step?
    Or do Social Services intend to just continue to contact the police, to no avail?
    Because that would be really stupid, and guaranteed to cause many more tragedies.
    There have been many stories about the lack of joined up thinking, and the lack of cooperation between the various authorities.
    Case after case seems to highlight this problem.
    I appreciate your point about cost consideration, but we surely cant be content with lurching from one disaster to the next.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,672
    The problem is that the Media concentrate on Monday Morning Quarterbacking. Rather than setting out the scale of the problems.

    The NSPCC state that 1 in 1000 people (not children) is a child at risk. With involvement of Social Services and a Care Plan of some sort attached. To put that into some form of perspective, that is 10,000 kids in London. Or 250 in Swansea.

    Most mental health facilities have shut. To be turned into gated communities for the rich and famous.

    Care in the Community and the like have meant that most people who 50 years ago were in specialist mental institutions or receiving significant medical care are just turfed out to fend for themselves. Often unable even to get a GP Appointment, never mind specialist care

    Most special schools have shut. Denying those most at risk specialist monitoring.

    Councils are cutting budgets everywhere they can. Leaving the police to carry out what used to be done by specialist mental health teams. Something that is going to get worse in the short-term.

    You believe the Press when they make it sound like 60 complaints about 1 child is unique. It is not. Far from it.

    The blame lies with You. And Me.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,571
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:


    I'm not interested in apportioning blame, plenty others will take care of that, but what n utterly horrific story this is. That poor boy was slowly & systematically tortured for years before eventually being murdered by holding him under ice-cold water in the bathtub. It's beyond imagination.

    Can anything improve if no blame is attached?
    Only if blame is apportioned correctly.

    The public don't want to pay the large amount of money required to provide more protection.

    The Police are forced to take on a role which they are neither trained nor suited to do-simply because there is no money provided for specialist services.

    Meanwhile, people want to blame the under-resourced and undertrained people.

    Because it is so much easier than blaming ourselves. Because we refuse to pay for it. And refuse to elect people who want to.
    You surely cant be thinking that this is the best we can do?
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/concerns-raised-services-over-60-173851416.html
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,672
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:


    I'm not interested in apportioning blame, plenty others will take care of that, but what n utterly horrific story this is. That poor boy was slowly & systematically tortured for years before eventually being murdered by holding him under ice-cold water in the bathtub. It's beyond imagination.

    Can anything improve if no blame is attached?
    Only if blame is apportioned correctly.

    The public don't want to pay the large amount of money required to provide more protection.

    The Police are forced to take on a role which they are neither trained nor suited to do-simply because there is no money provided for specialist services.

    Meanwhile, people want to blame the under-resourced and undertrained people.

    Because it is so much easier than blaming ourselves. Because we refuse to pay for it. And refuse to elect people who want to.
    You surely cant be thinking that this is the best we can do?
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/concerns-raised-services-over-60-173851416.html
    There are thousands of kids where similar levels of complaints/suspicion exist.

    Thankfully, the vast majority do not end up like that poor lad.

    Of course we can do better. We can spend more. We can stop vilifying the people who cannot foretell the future.

    Or we can just point fingers. Again.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,571
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:


    I'm not interested in apportioning blame, plenty others will take care of that, but what n utterly horrific story this is. That poor boy was slowly & systematically tortured for years before eventually being murdered by holding him under ice-cold water in the bathtub. It's beyond imagination.

    Can anything improve if no blame is attached?
    Only if blame is apportioned correctly.

    The public don't want to pay the large amount of money required to provide more protection.

    The Police are forced to take on a role which they are neither trained nor suited to do-simply because there is no money provided for specialist services.

    Meanwhile, people want to blame the under-resourced and undertrained people.

    Because it is so much easier than blaming ourselves. Because we refuse to pay for it. And refuse to elect people who want to.
    You surely cant be thinking that this is the best we can do?
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/concerns-raised-services-over-60-173851416.html
    There are thousands of kids where similar levels of complaints/suspicion exist.

    I sincerely hope there arent.

    Thankfully, the vast majority do not end up like that poor lad.

    Why is that the case if there are thousands of kids in the same boat?

    Of course we can do better. We can spend more. We can stop vilifying the people who cannot foretell the future.

    I think that you are right that many improvements involve spending more money.
    Although I believe that in a number of recent cases substantial improvements could have been made by those concerned reacting more efficiently, and without any increased costs.


    Or we can just point fingers. Again.

    I think pointing fingers is important.
    Not necessarily to criticise those concerned, but to identify where improvements can be made.
    Authorities coming out with their lessons will be learned speech is just as predictable as the finger pointing.
    The police seem to be very good at quietly absolving themselves of responsibility for more and more stuff.
    Yet this doesnt appear to have resulted in any improvements.



    A review of social services and police contact with Alfie Steele, of Droitwich, Worcestershire, published on Friday, found that he was classed as “safe and well” after home visits.

    Alfie died in February 2021 after his head was repeatedly held underwater in a bath, following months of “sadistic” cruelty and “torture” which left him with more than 50 injuries.

    A Child Safeguarding Practice Review by the Worcestershire Safeguarding Children Partnership (WSCP), highlighted a string of errors and missed opportunities from professionals.

    The review made eight recommendations to agencies including the WSCP and the Probation Service, including a call for practitioners to be provided with guidance to strengthen child protection plans by supporting family members and neighbours who report concerns.

    It comes as a BBC investigation found that 64 referrals had been made to police and social services regarding Alfie’s treatment.

    Freedom of Information requests by the broadcaster found that Worcestershire County Council was contacted 36 times between 2018 and 2020 by people concerned about Alfie’s welfare.

    West Mercia Police was contacted 28 times during the same three years.

    Alfie had been subject to a child protection plan for neglect in 2018.

    It added: “From the start of the review period, there was concern about Dirk Howell and his history of violence and criminality.

    “He was subject to bail conditions in relation to a burglary where firearms had been stolen in August 2019.”

    Between May 2019 and January 2020, Howell was subject to post-release supervision by the Probation Service, but the service was unaware he had threatened neighbours with reprisals for reporting concerns about Alfie, a “clear breach” of his supervision requirements.

    The review said that there were six known incidents raised with the police or children’s services relating to neighbours or school staff concerns about physical abuse or Howell’s “harsh and cruel practices to Alfie”.

    “Each incident would be followed up by a police or social worker visit,” the report said.


    “Too often he was described as ‘safe and well’ when he had not been spoken to.

    The couple’s six-week trial was told Alfie was denied food as an act of cruelty and routinely subjected to other “sinister” punishments, including being locked outside his home in cold weather.

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