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Reminder - it's the £400 PLO8 tonight
Tikay10
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Also known as the Neil Channing Benefit gig.
After winning the first two weeks @NChanning departed unfashionably early in it last week, so he'll be keen to make amends.
Here's the Lobby link;
https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=go_tnmt_lobby&game_id=37739740&guid=60835336-ebed-49d1-9386-bc7be9e9fe77
BUST THIS MAN
After winning the first two weeks @NChanning departed unfashionably early in it last week, so he'll be keen to make amends.
Here's the Lobby link;
https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=go_tnmt_lobby&game_id=37739740&guid=60835336-ebed-49d1-9386-bc7be9e9fe77
BUST THIS MAN
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It reminded me why I love the multicard format. Honestly thought I was in with a shout , silly boy.
Also sadly reminded of how old I am when someone didn’t get a Boomtown Rats reference
Ouch
I have my ups and downs (more downs) with PLO8 but it's such a roller-coaster of a format. Outdraws galore.
You were great company at the table tonight Nic, were very unlucky towards the end.
There’s a plastic deck tournament next Sat 24th at Aspers Stratford being run by APAT. £120 I think. I’ll be there if that doesn’t put anyone off.
It's not an amazing hand with no low cards/possible low-draw, but it's one of those hands that just looks too pretty to let go. And once villain 3-bets out of his stack, I can only really fold or put opponent all-in
Anyone doing the same here as me and or is it just a fold? Felt like a punt by me in hindsight and was lucky to chop the pot in the end.
Also interested if we'd be better limping this hand pre rather than raising?
Thoughts appreciated.
It might be a good idea to start a new thread with this, titled something like, PLO8 Hand reviews and discussions , helping to unravel the mysteries of the beautiful four card game, in the hope of attracting more views and possibly opening up avenues to getting more new players to give it a go.
Hiya, yeah I'd be fine to do that. Generally though, hand review threads that I've seen in the past haven't generated much interest. Also likely that a good chunk of the forum traffic either have never played PLO8 or are not interested in it; Therefore felt better to put it in here where several regulars to PLO8 have already posted.
Agree that would be good to see more people giving the game a go.
Would be surprised if we're meant to fold this hand, but definitely wouldn't be surprised if I've overplayed the hand massively. A much easier spot to take if villain has a shorter stack given the bounty factor, but putting 12BBs here with this hand may well be too loose.
Interesting spot.
First up, I'm famously selective (or read "nitty" if you like) with starting hands in PLO8. It's probably an age thing.
First, I'd look at who my opponent is. It's @onejohnb who knows exactly what he's doing, & is maybe the last player we want to double up. If he has half the stack he has, yeah, lets try & bust him, but double him up here & our advantage has gone.
I'd be seriously tempted to take a flop but I hope I'd be disciplined enough to either fold or limp. (Ignore the usual "never limp" advice which is more relevant to NLH, limping in the right spots is fine in PLO8 imo).
Two of my golden pre-flop rules are don't go to war without an Ace, & make sure we have something at both ends. (High & Low). Our hand is pretty, yes yes, but we don't have nut diamonds or hearts, & a low flop pretty much kills our chance of scooping as we don't have a Low draw. Remember, the art of the game is trying to scoop, not chop.
The flop comes two diamonds, but all Low. MOST of the time - most of the time - players are playing the Low, & will have an Ace in their hand. So the Low likely gets there, & they have hit their Ace. In probability we are in terrible shape to scoop, in fact as he's likely hit his ace we are likely to be dead with our high unless we find another diamond, & even that might not be good enough & we don't have a Low, so he's gonna scoop.
I really really don't want to double @onejohnb up, he's too good. So I hope I either fold or limp, & that I surrender to any pressure on the flop.
Interesting spot. I'd be interested to read what others think.
PS - It's a lot easier to analyse these spots after the event than it is "in the moment".
I might temped to try and limp that hand in as you have the possibility to take it all if theres no low draw and the flop is favourable,
Pretty sure if you plugged this into a solver, calling his raise would NOT be profitable and putting it all in definitely isn't.
Largely speaking I agree with Hendo @HENDRIK62
Incidentally, FWIW, in PLO, as opposed to PLO8, nothing could make me fold this hand pre-flop, it's such a beaut. Even if my oppo showed me Aces, I'm still not folding. The two games - PLO & PLO8 - are so different.
For what it's worth I think it's very much situation dependent and raising pre to steal the blinds is OK, but probably fold to a reraise, certainly from @onejohnb, he's unlikely to be doing it with worse than you. The HH doesn't give @loololollo or @bbMike's stack size, which would be handy to know. If you are the biggest stack then OK but if they have you covered then maybe just fold pre.
If you had got away with limping pre then the flop is just a fold.
All IMO obviously.
In terms of limping it though, should I limping some premium hands (AA2K, AA23 etc) pre in this spot too. I agree that the above hand works better as a limp, but surely we need to have a balanced limping range, otherwise good players will probably pick up on this and take advantage.
Maybe, but I would NOT do it with super big hands such as A-A-2-K or A-A-2-3 though. We MUST raise with these & if need be, go bust with them. The occasional limp with, say, Q-J-10-10 or unsuited A-2-X-X is fine. However it's a big mistake (imo) to go mad with A-2-X-X, we can be in awful shape on so many flops. A-2-X-X is NOT the pre-flop nuts.
However , it doesn’t stop yours truly from going bust once in a while with A-2-X-X. In the heat of the moment, I have found myself on the wrong end of it post flop more often than I care to admit