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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,771
    edited May 15
    Hateful Government. With a hate-filled agenda.

    1. Why ban sex education for under-9s in this way? At the moment, nearly every school does not teach what this Govt thinks of as "sex education" to under-9s now. And all parents have the right to receive detailed information about any planned sex education, together with the right to ensure their child is not present. So-what is the point?

    2. What do people mean by "gender dogma"? For me, that is taking a position where you refuse to allow anything you do not agree with. Just as true to insist no-one is taught about its existence as insisting that it is anything other than a rather rare thing.

    Why can we not have sensible rules about what we teach our kids, rather than having "no go" areas. This is exactly the same as the old Section 28 in relation to banning any discussion about being Gay. Do you remember the hateful clause in that no maintained school could-

    "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship".

    In effect, to demonise any child whose current parents are both the same sex. And make them even more likely to have all sorts of mental health problems. Or, effectively, to prevent any teacher admitting they are Gay. And now, presumably, not letting it slip that they once had a different gender.

    So-if this (or any other) Govt want to insist that they know how children should be taught better than people whose job it is to teach children, here are some realistic rules:-

    A. The teaching of Sex Education should remain exactly as it is now

    B. No teacher should be allowed to promote any particular lifestyle as better than others

    C. Nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed to make any permanent physical or chemical changes to their body in relation to Gender
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Essexphil said:

    Hateful Government. With a hate-filled agenda.

    1. Why ban sex education for under-9s in this way? At the moment, nearly every school does not teach what this Govt thinks of as "sex education" to under-9s now. And all parents have the right to receive detailed information about any planned sex education, together with the right to ensure their child is not present. So-what is the point?

    2. What do people mean by "gender dogma"? For me, that is taking a position where you refuse to allow anything you do not agree with. Just as true to insist no-one is taught about its existence as insisting that it is anything other than a rather rare thing.

    Why can we not have sensible rules about what we teach our kids, rather than having "no go" areas. This is exactly the same as the old Section 28 in relation to banning any discussion about being Gay. Do you remember the hateful clause in that no maintained school could-

    "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship".

    In effect, to demonise any child whose current parents are both the same sex. And make them even more likely to have all sorts of mental health problems. Or, effectively, to prevent any teacher admitting they are Gay. And now, presumably, not letting it slip that they once had a different gender.

    So-if this (or any other) Govt want to insist that they know how children should be taught better than people whose job it is to teach children, here are some realistic rules:-

    A. The teaching of Sex Education should remain exactly as it is now

    B. No teacher should be allowed to promote any particular lifestyle as better than others

    C. Nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed to make any permanent physical or chemical changes to their body in relation to Gender

    The rules seem sensible.
    Although I must admit there was no sex education when I was in school.
    These topics seem to generate so many outspoken views, on all sides of the debate.
    Some religions also seem to be in conflict with any sex education.
    I dont think that opting for naivety over education, can ever be a wise choice.
  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,686
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Hateful Government. With a hate-filled agenda.

    1. Why ban sex education for under-9s in this way? At the moment, nearly every school does not teach what this Govt thinks of as "sex education" to under-9s now. And all parents have the right to receive detailed information about any planned sex education, together with the right to ensure their child is not present. So-what is the point?

    2. What do people mean by "gender dogma"? For me, that is taking a position where you refuse to allow anything you do not agree with. Just as true to insist no-one is taught about its existence as insisting that it is anything other than a rather rare thing.

    Why can we not have sensible rules about what we teach our kids, rather than having "no go" areas. This is exactly the same as the old Section 28 in relation to banning any discussion about being Gay. Do you remember the hateful clause in that no maintained school could-

    "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship".

    In effect, to demonise any child whose current parents are both the same sex. And make them even more likely to have all sorts of mental health problems. Or, effectively, to prevent any teacher admitting they are Gay. And now, presumably, not letting it slip that they once had a different gender.

    So-if this (or any other) Govt want to insist that they know how children should be taught better than people whose job it is to teach children, here are some realistic rules:-

    A. The teaching of Sex Education should remain exactly as it is now

    B. No teacher should be allowed to promote any particular lifestyle as better than others

    C. Nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed to make any permanent physical or chemical changes to their body in relation to Gender

    The rules seem sensible.
    Although I must admit there was no sex education when I was in school.
    These topics seem to generate so many outspoken views, on all sides of the debate.
    Some religions also seem to be in conflict with any sex education.
    I dont think that opting for naivety over education, can ever be a wise choice.
    Got to stop agreeing with @HAYSIE if only for the sake of my health. I occasionally get asked about sex education by non Christians who wish to pick fault with what they think my answer will be.

    From my point of view I feel that a well delivered sex education programme is not only the correct way to go, but in a world where **** is so readily accessible, it's vital to ensuring that young people have an understanding of sex.

    Religions that would counter this are perhaps part of the problem.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Hateful Government. With a hate-filled agenda.

    1. Why ban sex education for under-9s in this way? At the moment, nearly every school does not teach what this Govt thinks of as "sex education" to under-9s now. And all parents have the right to receive detailed information about any planned sex education, together with the right to ensure their child is not present. So-what is the point?

    2. What do people mean by "gender dogma"? For me, that is taking a position where you refuse to allow anything you do not agree with. Just as true to insist no-one is taught about its existence as insisting that it is anything other than a rather rare thing.

    Why can we not have sensible rules about what we teach our kids, rather than having "no go" areas. This is exactly the same as the old Section 28 in relation to banning any discussion about being Gay. Do you remember the hateful clause in that no maintained school could-

    "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship".

    In effect, to demonise any child whose current parents are both the same sex. And make them even more likely to have all sorts of mental health problems. Or, effectively, to prevent any teacher admitting they are Gay. And now, presumably, not letting it slip that they once had a different gender.

    So-if this (or any other) Govt want to insist that they know how children should be taught better than people whose job it is to teach children, here are some realistic rules:-

    A. The teaching of Sex Education should remain exactly as it is now

    B. No teacher should be allowed to promote any particular lifestyle as better than others

    C. Nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed to make any permanent physical or chemical changes to their body in relation to Gender

    The rules seem sensible.
    Although I must admit there was no sex education when I was in school.
    These topics seem to generate so many outspoken views, on all sides of the debate.
    Some religions also seem to be in conflict with any sex education.
    I dont think that opting for naivety over education, can ever be a wise choice.
    Got to stop agreeing with @HAYSIE if only for the sake of my health. I occasionally get asked about sex education by non Christians who wish to pick fault with what they think my answer will be.

    From my point of view I feel that a well delivered sex education programme is not only the correct way to go, but in a world where **** is so readily accessible, it's vital to ensuring that young people have an understanding of sex.

    Religions that would counter this are perhaps part of the problem.
    All kids will definitely get a sex education.
    Sometimes they get it from the wrong place.
    So much better if all kids got it from the right place.
    It is impossible to sweep it under the carpet.
  • stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,829
    Sex has been happening since time begun with all people be it man/woman , man/man ,woman/woman and yet we have people dictating to us, the people , how to educate our kids , it's lunacy
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Essexphil said:

    Hateful Government. With a hate-filled agenda.

    1. Why ban sex education for under-9s in this way? At the moment, nearly every school does not teach what this Govt thinks of as "sex education" to under-9s now. And all parents have the right to receive detailed information about any planned sex education, together with the right to ensure their child is not present. So-what is the point?

    2. What do people mean by "gender dogma"? For me, that is taking a position where you refuse to allow anything you do not agree with. Just as true to insist no-one is taught about its existence as insisting that it is anything other than a rather rare thing.

    Why can we not have sensible rules about what we teach our kids, rather than having "no go" areas. This is exactly the same as the old Section 28 in relation to banning any discussion about being Gay. Do you remember the hateful clause in that no maintained school could-

    "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship".

    In effect, to demonise any child whose current parents are both the same sex. And make them even more likely to have all sorts of mental health problems. Or, effectively, to prevent any teacher admitting they are Gay. And now, presumably, not letting it slip that they once had a different gender.

    So-if this (or any other) Govt want to insist that they know how children should be taught better than people whose job it is to teach children, here are some realistic rules:-

    A. The teaching of Sex Education should remain exactly as it is now

    B. No teacher should be allowed to promote any particular lifestyle as better than others

    C. Nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed to make any permanent physical or chemical changes to their body in relation to Gender

    Do you think that many parents dont have a clue about what their kids are being taught in school?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,771
    edited May 16
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Hateful Government. With a hate-filled agenda.

    1. Why ban sex education for under-9s in this way? At the moment, nearly every school does not teach what this Govt thinks of as "sex education" to under-9s now. And all parents have the right to receive detailed information about any planned sex education, together with the right to ensure their child is not present. So-what is the point?

    2. What do people mean by "gender dogma"? For me, that is taking a position where you refuse to allow anything you do not agree with. Just as true to insist no-one is taught about its existence as insisting that it is anything other than a rather rare thing.

    Why can we not have sensible rules about what we teach our kids, rather than having "no go" areas. This is exactly the same as the old Section 28 in relation to banning any discussion about being Gay. Do you remember the hateful clause in that no maintained school could-

    "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship".

    In effect, to demonise any child whose current parents are both the same sex. And make them even more likely to have all sorts of mental health problems. Or, effectively, to prevent any teacher admitting they are Gay. And now, presumably, not letting it slip that they once had a different gender.

    So-if this (or any other) Govt want to insist that they know how children should be taught better than people whose job it is to teach children, here are some realistic rules:-

    A. The teaching of Sex Education should remain exactly as it is now

    B. No teacher should be allowed to promote any particular lifestyle as better than others

    C. Nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed to make any permanent physical or chemical changes to their body in relation to Gender

    Do you think that many parents dont have a clue about what their kids are being taught in school?
    Most parents don't have a clue. And, IMHO, that is the way it should be. Children use school as a World where their Parents do not belong. In order that they can process information separately from the moral code they have at home. And use both to grow as young people.

    Which is exactly as it should be. At present, sex education has to be age-appropriate. Explaining the goals that education should set. Together with giving Parents an opt-out. Not telling educators what they cannot do. Which is just wrong.

    Many parents, and most elderly readers of the Mail etc just do not appreciate the World has changed.

    In my youth, teenage boys had hopes based on hearsay and magazines.

    Today's teenagers are fed on a diet of online graphic images that are rather more extreme. Where love, respect, and the more straightforward acts are conspicuously absent. So expectations in relation to sex acts are totally different. And social media means a mistake a young girl or boy might make is there for all to see. For ever.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,517
    Occasionally teachers will take it too far though!


  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,771
    In all seriousness, terrible double standards here.

    Teachers should be free to inform children about religion or, for that matter, gender identity.

    Teachers should not be free to seek to convert people to either.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Enut said:

    Occasionally teachers will take it too far though!


    Its wierd how this front page got on this thread, when I posted it on the tax cuts thread.
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,517
    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    Occasionally teachers will take it too far though!


    Its wierd how this front page got on this thread, when I posted it on the tax cuts thread.
    Not weird really, I copied it from the tax cuts thread! :)
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,771
    Enut said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    Occasionally teachers will take it too far though!


    Its wierd how this front page got on this thread, when I posted it on the tax cuts thread.
    Not weird really, I copied it from the tax cuts thread! :)
    It's almost like there are 2 headlines on the same page :)

    While I am whinging about double standards. When a male teacher does this to a 15-yr-old girl, the papers will call him a paedophile. Not a "predator". Not go into detail about their past relationships.

    This woman is a paedophile. A paedophile with mental health problems rather than someone who will always seek the under age? Probably. A sad loser who is probably less mature than the schoolkids? Probably.

    I wish that newspapers would be consistent. That, on 1 level, such teachers need help. And on another level, must go to prison.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Enut said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    Occasionally teachers will take it too far though!


    Its wierd how this front page got on this thread, when I posted it on the tax cuts thread.
    Not weird really, I copied it from the tax cuts thread! :)
    That will be why, then.
    I thought I was going mad.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    Occasionally teachers will take it too far though!


    Its wierd how this front page got on this thread, when I posted it on the tax cuts thread.
    Not weird really, I copied it from the tax cuts thread! :)
    That will be why, then.
    I thought I was going mad.

    A view most us already held.

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    Occasionally teachers will take it too far though!


    Its wierd how this front page got on this thread, when I posted it on the tax cuts thread.
    Not weird really, I copied it from the tax cuts thread! :)
    That will be why, then.
    I thought I was going mad.

    A view most us already held.

    No golf today?
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    edited May 19
    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    Occasionally teachers will take it too far though!


    Its wierd how this front page got on this thread, when I posted it on the tax cuts thread.
    Not weird really, I copied it from the tax cuts thread! :)
    That will be why, then.
    I thought I was going mad.

    A view most us already held.

    No golf today?
    @HAYSIE

    Yes, I had a late tee-time, 5.30pm.

    I played with a long-established friend & Sky Poker player, who occassionally posts on the Forum. Think he plays off something like 8, anyway, he had 13 (THIRTEEN) pars, 4 bogeys & 1 double bogey, & his round included 9 (NINE) pars back-to-back. Proper golfer.

    I'll not trouble you with my scores, but the total was comfortably into three figures.

    A beautiful evening though. The course was empty, bright sunshine, clear blue sky, not a breath of wind, & birdsong galore. (I have a "MERELIN" birdsong app which identifies bird species in an instant).

    THE most wonderful evening, except for my abysmal play. I really am vey bad indeed. Golf, though, teaches us humility, & how to cope with adversity. I've certainly had a few of those lessons...

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    Occasionally teachers will take it too far though!


    Its wierd how this front page got on this thread, when I posted it on the tax cuts thread.
    Not weird really, I copied it from the tax cuts thread! :)
    That will be why, then.
    I thought I was going mad.

    A view most us already held.

    No golf today?
    @HAYSIE

    Yes, I had a late tee-time, 5.30pm.

    I played with a long-established friend & Sky Poker player, who occassionally posts on the Forum. Think he plays off something like 8, anyway, he had 13 (THIRTEEN) pars, 4 bogeys & 1 double bogey, & his round included 9 (NINE) pars back-to-back. Proper golfer.

    I'll not trouble you with my scores, but the total was comfortably into three figures.

    A beautiful evening though. The course was empty, bright sunshine, clear blue sky, not a breath of wind, & birdsong galore. (I have a "MERELIN" birdsong app which identifies bird species in an instant).

    THE most wonderful evening, except for my abysmal play. I really am vey bad indeed. Golf, though, teaches us humility, & how to cope with adversity. I've certainly had a few of those lessons...

    Mark Twain was correct.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576

    With all due respect to him - he wrote wonderfully - Mr Twain was talking bo**ocks.
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