Bad fold

The_Don90

Now ive heard of a number of people saying to me that they made a bad fold. Now is there really such a thing as a bad fold. 90% of the time when a player folds he/she is usually behind to at least one opponent. So for example I fold Q,7 pre flop. The flop come Q,Q,7 although i feel sick for folding, i know the AJ that won in the end with the kicker was ahead of me when i folded. This by logic makes it the correct fold if im right in thinking.

So im woundering am i the only one who believes in this or is there someone out there who agrees with me?

Wilhelm

I think that there are certain situations where it would be incorrect to fold.  I don't really understand your example, you can't judge whether a pre-flop fold is good by what you would have hit on the flop. 

Wilhelm

Perhaps this hand is a bad example, as my oppenent shows no aggression, but it's fresh in my mind.  I can't think of a single point in this hand where if he had shown any aggression that I could have folded.  It doesn't mean that it would have been a bad call, I'm winning so often here.  At the same time, I think that if my opponent had shown any aggression, my fold would be a bad one, as I am loosing money by folding these spots in the long term.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
42D	Small blind		15.00	15.00	1165.00
Wilhelm	Big blind		30.00	45.00	790.00
	Your hole cards	Q Q
42D	Call		15.00	60.00	1150.00
Wilhelm	Raise		60.00	120.00	730.00
42D	Call		60.00	180.00	1090.00
Flop
		J 4 J
Wilhelm	Bet		90.00	270.00	640.00
42D	Call		90.00	360.00	1000.00
Turn
		J
Wilhelm	Bet		180.00	540.00	460.00
42D	Call		180.00	720.00	820.00
River
		Q
Wilhelm	All-in		460.00	1180.00	0.00
42D	Call		460.00	1640.00	360.00
42D	Show	9 J
Wilhelm	Show	Q Q
42D	Win	Four Jacks	1640.00		2000.00

DOHHHHHHH

Folding hands, is hard! - In some spots, it looks impossible to fold, but the great players can.

Sometimes, you can fold in a situation, and find out later that it was the "wrong fold in that instance" - but you have to be a really good player to be able to make it.

I was watching the primo, and saw a hand involving the home guest who had pocket tens, another player, who had pocket jacks, and a guy who uses the forum called FLASHFLUSH who had pocket queens. 

There were about 18 thousand raises pre flop before the tens and the jacks ended up all in.

The decision was on FF to call an all in with QQ for his tournament - with 2 guys all in ahead of him. He folded the hand.

Looking back at the hand, he was miles ahead. But was his fold bad? 

Sure he wont mind me saying, check his Sharcskope stats - and see what being capable of making this type of big fold can help you achieve long term.

The example you give with the queen 7 Don is auwful lol. My Dad moans when he folds and "his cards come out" - and he's been playing 3 weeks - I still have no sympathy !!!

DOHH

JockBMW

In Response to Re: Bad fold:

Folding hands, is hard! - In some spots, it looks impossible to fold, but the great players can. Sometimes, you can fold in a situation, and find out later that it was the "wrong fold in that instance" - but you have to be a really good player to be able to make it. I was watching the primo, and saw a hand involving the home guest who had pocket tens, another player, who had pocket jacks, and a guy who uses the forum called FLASHFLUSH who had pocket queens.  There were about 18 thousand raises pre flop before the tens and the jacks ended up all in. The decision was on FF to call an all in with QQ for his tournament - with 2 guys all in ahead of him. He folded the hand. Looking back at the hand, he was miles ahead. But was his fold bad?  Sure he wont mind me saying, check his Sharcskope stats - and see what being capable of making this type of big fold can help you achieve long term. The example you give with the queen 7 Don is auwful lol. My Dad moans when he folds and "his cards come out" - and he's been playing 3 weeks - I still have no sympathy !!! DOHH
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

wow, just checked out his stats, impressive,  Also checked out yours.....  you shy one you

Donut64

Bad fold if you are on a table were people are allowing you to limp in. Right fold when people are making you pay to see the flop no matter what the flop comes down as! IMO.

Wilhelm

Btw, did anyone see the wsope on channel 4 last night?  Your man folded Kings pre-flop and showed, the other guy showed him the bullets...

KnackersYa

In Response to Re: Bad fold:

Btw, did anyone see the wsope on channel 4 last night?  Your man folded Kings pre-flop and showed, the other guy showed him the bullets...
Posted by Wilhelm

Fair play, the guy with the bullets was Hollywooding soooooo much that he might as well have had "I've got Aces!!!!" tattooed on his forehead. If he'd just made his raise and sat there like a good little boy, he'd have been paid off for sure.

Still, great fold by KK boy though.

Dazler

I think too many players concentrate on the hand they have been given and pre flop any hand could win. Its all about betting the right amount you could have 23 and take down a AK no problem even if they raise. If they dont hit you can represent any card on the board if your brave enough to do so. its risky to do but good players are able to take advantage so depends on your decision making and reads of players. Not good practice to do all the time but now and again it can be very profitable.

Mohican

In Response to Re: Bad fold:

The decision was on FF to call an all in with QQ for his tournament - with 2 guys all in ahead of him. He folded the hand.  DOHH
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

I remember watching that hand. Folded for the right reasons cos most of the time he's behind.
Didn't a Q come down on the flop as well?

DOHHHHHHH

It did!!!!

Does that make it bad?

dub1

In Response to Re: Bad fold:

In Response to Re: Bad fold : wow, just checked out his stats, impressive,  Also checked out yours.....  you shy one you
Posted by JockBMW

wow check out dantb10s results on sharkscope. thats inpressive

dub1

In Response to Bad fold:

Now ive heard of a number of people saying to me that they made a bad fold. Now is there really such a thing as a bad fold. 90% of the time when a player folds he/she is usually behind to at least one opponent. So for example I fold Q,7 pre flop. The flop come Q,Q,7 although i feel sick for folding, i know the AJ that won in the end with the kicker was ahead of me when i folded. This by logic makes it the correct fold if im right in thinking. So im woundering am i the only one who believes in this or is there someone out there who agrees with me?
Posted by The_Don90

HU Q7 is 35% to AJ
so folding pre flop is a bad fold if the implyed odd are there.

You cant look at it as i got a hand which is probly beat pre or u will only eva play AA

SNOWY37

in the words of JC Tran. 'I'd rather make a bad lay down, than a bad call'

wise words.