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Gary Glitter.

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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    edited June 12

    I'm only guessing, but I doubt she'll get a penny. Gadd has twice been declared bankrupt, & has long since sold his rights to music royalties for his back catalogue. He's been almost permanently imprisoned since 1999 with further convictions leading to prison sentences in 2006 & 2015 rendering him unable to work. After serving half of his 2015 sentence he was released early last year but breached his release conditions & was back in prison within weeks, so has had no chance to repair his finances.

    He never acknowledged the damages claim, or appointed lawyers to defend himself.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,771
    Like you, I just do not understand this sort of case.

    I'm not defending the actions of Mr Glitter.

    What I cannot understand are these facts:-

    1. Why is it that his Bankruptcies do not shield him from Damages claims that pre-date them?
    2. I do not understand that a victim can both be unable to work for Decades (and looks like will never be able to work) and able to take on the enormous stress of this sort of case
    3. Who is funding her legal fees? It can only be 1 of the Taxpayer or the Solicitors/Barristers (presumably for the publicity or pro bono). Because those Solicitors are both very good and very expensive
    4. What exactly is the point of going to all this trouble (and reliving what must have been considerable trauma) for what looks like £0

    The only possible thing I can see is this. If that poor young lady is an early-ish victim, worth remembering that several newspapers were unwise enough to give several interviews with his (underage) "girlfriend" back in the day...
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576


    +1 to everything @Essexphil wrote. Essentially, he wrote what I was thinking, but expressed it better.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Tikay10 said:


    I'm only guessing, but I doubt she'll get a penny. Gadd has twice been declared bankrupt, & has long since sold his rights to music royalties for his back catalogue. He's been almost permanently imprisoned since 1999 with further convictions leading to prison sentences in 2006 & 2015 rendering him unable to work. After serving half of his 2015 sentence he was released early last year but breached his release conditions & was back in prison within weeks, so has had no chance to repair his finances.

    He never acknowledged the damages claim, or appointed lawyers to defend himself.

    You can only feel empathy for his victims, and compassion for how their lives were affected in the long term.
    He is a despicable man.

    Since reading your post, I have read a couple of articles covering the outcome of this case.
    Neither of them mention his financial position.
    Assuming your comments regarding his finances are correct, and I have no reason to doubt them, then you have to wonder about the point of bringing the case.
    Is it not a complete waste of money, and the courts time?
    It seems a pointless exercise to seek compensation from an 80 year old, bankrupt man, who is currently in prison.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:


    I'm only guessing, but I doubt she'll get a penny. Gadd has twice been declared bankrupt, & has long since sold his rights to music royalties for his back catalogue. He's been almost permanently imprisoned since 1999 with further convictions leading to prison sentences in 2006 & 2015 rendering him unable to work. After serving half of his 2015 sentence he was released early last year but breached his release conditions & was back in prison within weeks, so has had no chance to repair his finances.

    He never acknowledged the damages claim, or appointed lawyers to defend himself.

    You can only feel empathy for his victims, and compassion for how their lives were affected in the long term.
    He is a despicable man.

    Since reading your post, I have read a couple of articles covering the outcome of this case.
    Neither of them mention his financial position.
    Assuming your comments regarding his finances are correct, and I have no reason to doubt them, then you have to wonder about the point of bringing the case.
    Is it not a complete waste of money, and the courts time?
    It seems a pointless exercise to seek compensation from an 80 year old, bankrupt man, who is currently in prison.
    I was obviously in the process of this when Phil posted his comments.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:


    I'm only guessing, but I doubt she'll get a penny. Gadd has twice been declared bankrupt, & has long since sold his rights to music royalties for his back catalogue. He's been almost permanently imprisoned since 1999 with further convictions leading to prison sentences in 2006 & 2015 rendering him unable to work. After serving half of his 2015 sentence he was released early last year but breached his release conditions & was back in prison within weeks, so has had no chance to repair his finances.

    He never acknowledged the damages claim, or appointed lawyers to defend himself.

    You can only feel empathy for his victims, and compassion for how their lives were affected in the long term.
    He is a despicable man.

    Since reading your post, I have read a couple of articles covering the outcome of this case.
    Neither of them mention his financial position.
    Assuming your comments regarding his finances are correct, and I have no reason to doubt them, then you have to wonder about the point of bringing the case.
    Is it not a complete waste of money, and the courts time?
    It seems a pointless exercise to seek compensation from an 80 year old, bankrupt man, who is currently in prison.


    That suggests one of two things.


    Either I've got it completely round my neck & Gadd has hundreds of thousands in the bank.

    Or it's very poor journalism not to mention his financial position.

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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576


    And it now occurs to me that if he really did have money in the bank, there would have been many more claims against him by his victims.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,771
    edited June 12
    Tikay10 said:



    And it now occurs to me that if he really did have money in the bank, there would have been many more claims against him by his victims.

    Together with the fact that, if he had £millions in the Bank, he would have defended the claim (or paid it). As opposed to allowing judgment in default...

    PS. I believe this particular abuse happened in the late 1970s

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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,771
    Here is a red-top giving its considered opinion:-

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/gary-glitters-astounding-net-worth-33004731

    He may have money. But the fact that he used to own recording rights and used to own an expensive flat does not count as money...
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Essexphil said:

    Here is a red-top giving its considered opinion:-

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/gary-glitters-astounding-net-worth-33004731

    He may have money. But the fact that he used to own recording rights and used to own an expensive flat does not count as money...

    Assuming he is skint, there is no story.
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  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,517
    Can they claim against any future earnings? For example if he writes or benefits from any books written about him?
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Here is a red-top giving its considered opinion:-

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/gary-glitters-astounding-net-worth-33004731

    He may have money. But the fact that he used to own recording rights and used to own an expensive flat does not count as money...

    Assuming he is skint, there is no story.
    Worse than that.
    Anyone that hasnt worked for 40 years will be on their ar5e.
    Therefore isnt a court awarding them half a million quid, of which they will not get a penny, just rubbing salt?
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    Enut said:

    Can they claim against any future earnings? For example if he writes or benefits from any books written about him?

    @Enut



    Maybe, but I'm not at all convinced that royalties would be due to him from a book written about him by others.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    edited June 12

    Further to the question by @Enut, I just googled "Gary Glitter books".


    There are dozens of them. These include an autobiography for which, presumably, he would be entitled to royalties, unless he has sold those rights.



    https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=dc0419fb69eefd49&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB1096GB1096&sxsrf=ADLYWIK8kMV2I6NE8_0M2yJllBc0Gsnxmg:1718182691916&q=gary+glitter+book&source=lnms&uds=ADvngMgqcUMsFbpNdIksvhBRA1ivRj7WSWLaPekSDgngWHMtxn4hhLPph20SVcmmkfsA_LOfhC6gOLPc1vr7aQ7RhlQDl-0HMNGsbIxUUGN7OqI9A6mjLT2H3oLCapg61tFfYwihQRohnbTKUXFMxFp44Kt6o-epjBdSqxzcp2L6NIjHJzcZvA1m-XBe92_7s3L3AvM9cosdkswx4tR-b9xjmOtzOS3pZh4UL5HC941EDT0CO28mgBZY48aCew521eaE1mIv_9N4RseoEWmmn4W_gnAtt5LlzD2gE4QAILNZdsFiDn9W4_JdXtlo9exKrGPJC4mNPDXfBIBsBkkSd8Ne1TtARmYFfQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj_64qo2dWGAxX4VUEAHfYDAJUQ0pQJegQIExAB&biw=1252&bih=578&dpr=1.5#ip=1




    https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=dc0419fb69eefd49&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB1096GB1096&sxsrf=ADLYWII2qscUluTLVkr3zxojwXs6CAPHQw:1718182689943&q=gary+glitter+book&uds=ADvngMgqcUMsFbpNdIksvhBRA1ivRj7WSWLaPekSDgngWHMtxn4hhLPph20SVcmmkfsA_LM7OkYJyWOV8CK02z8KRIdslKmzfnRx9xybmRVMSSEDZPlJilGiiFogRjkld5rl1Ynlf3uAzASDZ-Sf0hhbWlueqkSwuDTRrpE-FmOHn9IZGyhkmgsHuauwWvt0Bi6ptxW7bQ2Ddum5S24lJDrJsR2Kdxg2QzkX2T2st7Uha7QYL036Ocwm_oQ8H728n2WvjEmWU13PyR_VqV9Ld7gRklHkXWRbEIPI_4qExbURsdjA2tjE9oPu5K-h9KKp7NQbgFePpw4raSJvm7ixLbadvO5V1a3qlw&udm=2&prmd=ivnbmtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjLvJKn2dWGAxVdYEEAHekEDiIQtKgLegQIFBAB&biw=1257&bih=578&dpr=1.5
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Enut said:

    Can they claim against any future earnings? For example if he writes or benefits from any books written about him?

    Phil will know the legal position.
    I believe that will depend on whether he has been discharged or not.
    If he hasnt been discharged any excess income may be paid to his creditors.
    Although his prospects seem pretty gloomy, as he is 80, and still in prison.
    Not sure if he has any automatic rights to any book written about him.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,771
    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    Can they claim against any future earnings? For example if he writes or benefits from any books written about him?

    Phil will know the legal position.
    I believe that will depend on whether he has been discharged or not.
    If he hasnt been discharged any excess income may be paid to his creditors.
    Although his prospects seem pretty gloomy, as he is 80, and still in prison.
    Not sure if he has any automatic rights to any book written about him.
    Here is the rather cynical legal position.
    There is a story to be written. About an 80 year old man with a history of heart problems.
    The books will be written when he is dead. Both to keep the money, and because it is not normally possible to defame the dead
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    Can they claim against any future earnings? For example if he writes or benefits from any books written about him?

    Phil will know the legal position.
    I believe that will depend on whether he has been discharged or not.
    If he hasnt been discharged any excess income may be paid to his creditors.
    Although his prospects seem pretty gloomy, as he is 80, and still in prison.
    Not sure if he has any automatic rights to any book written about him.


    I'm whistling in the dark here somewhat, but i believe bankruptcies are automatically discharged after a short period.


    https://www.gov.uk/bankruptcy/when-bankruptcy-ends
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    edited June 12
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    Can they claim against any future earnings? For example if he writes or benefits from any books written about him?

    Phil will know the legal position.
    I believe that will depend on whether he has been discharged or not.
    If he hasnt been discharged any excess income may be paid to his creditors.
    Although his prospects seem pretty gloomy, as he is 80, and still in prison.
    Not sure if he has any automatic rights to any book written about him.
    Here is the rather cynical legal position.
    There is a story to be written. About an 80 year old man with a history of heart problems.
    The books will be written when he is dead. Both to keep the money, and because it is not normally possible to defame the dead

    Ha, the rather delicious thought suddenly occurs that those books are already written & will all be published the day he dies....

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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,771
    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    Can they claim against any future earnings? For example if he writes or benefits from any books written about him?

    Phil will know the legal position.
    I believe that will depend on whether he has been discharged or not.
    If he hasnt been discharged any excess income may be paid to his creditors.
    Although his prospects seem pretty gloomy, as he is 80, and still in prison.
    Not sure if he has any automatic rights to any book written about him.


    I'm whistling in the dark here somewhat, but i believe bankruptcies are automatically discharged after a short period.


    https://www.gov.uk/bankruptcy/when-bankruptcy-ends
    They are. With the exception of Fraud during period as Bankrupt.

    And note the possible exception in relation to Personal Injuries...
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