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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,845
    Let's rephrase that.

    The Express says-

    Vote for Priti Patel to be next leader of the Tory Party.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,445
    Essexphil said:

    Let's rephrase that.

    The Express says-

    Vote for Priti Patel to be next leader of the Tory Party.

    She seems to have very little support.
    Thankfully.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,845
    edited August 12
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Let's rephrase that.

    The Express says-

    Vote for Priti Patel to be next leader of the Tory Party.

    She seems to have very little support.
    Thankfully.
    I doubt she will win, except for a possible interim leader position.

    She will likely be pivotal as to who does win. Unfortunately. She is looking like a Shadow Home Secretary....
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,445
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Let's rephrase that.

    The Express says-

    Vote for Priti Patel to be next leader of the Tory Party.

    She seems to have very little support.
    Thankfully.
    I doubt she will win, except for a possible interim leader position.

    She will likely be pivotal as to who does win. Unfortunately. She is looking like a Shadow Home Secretary....
    I suppose it is a double edged sword.
    I cant stand the favourite.
    Although electing one of the more moderate, sensible candidates, may give them a better chance next time around.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,845
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Let's rephrase that.

    The Express says-

    Vote for Priti Patel to be next leader of the Tory Party.

    She seems to have very little support.
    Thankfully.
    I doubt she will win, except for a possible interim leader position.

    She will likely be pivotal as to who does win. Unfortunately. She is looking like a Shadow Home Secretary....
    I suppose it is a double edged sword.
    I cant stand the favourite.
    Although electing one of the more moderate, sensible candidates, may give them a better chance next time around.
    Current odds for next Tory leader, according to Oddschecker today, are roughly:-

    Badenoch 7/4
    Jenrick 7/4
    Tugendhat 5/1
    Cleverly 6/1
    Priti Patel 10/1

    The favourite, just, appears to be Robert Jenrick-who is shorter odds at about 60% of Bookmakers.

    Which amazes me. I think the man has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I would prefer a Lazarus act from Boris or even Truss. At least Badenoch has some talent to accompany her bile.

    The 1st if those 5 to drop out (assuming Stride has already gone) will be likely pivotal as to who wins.

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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,845
    The other thing that interests me is this.

    If the current system is retained, whereby it is whittled down to 2 and then the Members decide.

    Then supporters of Badenoch and Jenrick will try and engineer a Final 2 of 1 of them v Cleverly. Safe in the knowledge that the Members will reject Cleverly as being too sensible and moderate.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,445
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Let's rephrase that.

    The Express says-

    Vote for Priti Patel to be next leader of the Tory Party.

    She seems to have very little support.
    Thankfully.
    I doubt she will win, except for a possible interim leader position.

    She will likely be pivotal as to who does win. Unfortunately. She is looking like a Shadow Home Secretary....
    I suppose it is a double edged sword.
    I cant stand the favourite.
    Although electing one of the more moderate, sensible candidates, may give them a better chance next time around.
    Current odds for next Tory leader, according to Oddschecker today, are roughly:-

    Badenoch 7/4
    Jenrick 7/4
    Tugendhat 5/1
    Cleverly 6/1
    Priti Patel 10/1

    The favourite, just, appears to be Robert Jenrick-who is shorter odds at about 60% of Bookmakers.

    Which amazes me. I think the man has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I would prefer a Lazarus act from Boris or even Truss. At least Badenoch has some talent to accompany her bile.

    The 1st if those 5 to drop out (assuming Stride has already gone) will be likely pivotal as to who wins.

    I could only vote for the middle 2.
    Seems like they have no chance.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,445
    Essexphil said:

    The other thing that interests me is this.

    If the current system is retained, whereby it is whittled down to 2 and then the Members decide.

    Then supporters of Badenoch and Jenrick will try and engineer a Final 2 of 1 of them v Cleverly. Safe in the knowledge that the Members will reject Cleverly as being too sensible and moderate.

    I thought they were trying to do away with the members vote.
    Arent the vast majority of the electorate sensible, and moderate?
    Badenoch was miles clear on the last members poll that I saw.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,845
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    The other thing that interests me is this.

    If the current system is retained, whereby it is whittled down to 2 and then the Members decide.

    Then supporters of Badenoch and Jenrick will try and engineer a Final 2 of 1 of them v Cleverly. Safe in the knowledge that the Members will reject Cleverly as being too sensible and moderate.

    I thought they were trying to do away with the members vote.
    Arent the vast majority of the electorate sensible, and moderate?
    Badenoch was miles clear on the last members poll that I saw.
    They did say that. And they lied. As usual.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Conservative_Party_leadership_election

    Lots of hot air additional stuff to make it look different.

    But when you boil it down, it is still MPs to reduce it to 2, then Members to decide.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,445
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    The other thing that interests me is this.

    If the current system is retained, whereby it is whittled down to 2 and then the Members decide.

    Then supporters of Badenoch and Jenrick will try and engineer a Final 2 of 1 of them v Cleverly. Safe in the knowledge that the Members will reject Cleverly as being too sensible and moderate.

    I thought they were trying to do away with the members vote.
    Arent the vast majority of the electorate sensible, and moderate?
    Badenoch was miles clear on the last members poll that I saw.
    They did say that. And they lied. As usual.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Conservative_Party_leadership_election

    Lots of hot air additional stuff to make it look different.

    But when you boil it down, it is still MPs to reduce it to 2, then Members to decide.
    The MPs can manipulate it.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,845
    edited August 12
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    The other thing that interests me is this.

    If the current system is retained, whereby it is whittled down to 2 and then the Members decide.

    Then supporters of Badenoch and Jenrick will try and engineer a Final 2 of 1 of them v Cleverly. Safe in the knowledge that the Members will reject Cleverly as being too sensible and moderate.

    I thought they were trying to do away with the members vote.
    Arent the vast majority of the electorate sensible, and moderate?
    Badenoch was miles clear on the last members poll that I saw.
    They did say that. And they lied. As usual.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Conservative_Party_leadership_election

    Lots of hot air additional stuff to make it look different.

    But when you boil it down, it is still MPs to reduce it to 2, then Members to decide.
    The MPs can manipulate it.
    And various of them will try to do exactly that.

    Remember how Truss got elected? She was 3rd all the way until the last ballot, when she narrowly overtook Mordaunt to come 2nd. She came 1st in precisely 0 of the MP ballots. But she was further to the Right than Sunak, so Members voted for her.

    Why do you think the Bookies have that twonk Jenrick so short? Because they suspect that his supporters will try and get to the last 2 without Badenoch.

    Which is why Patel and Tugendhat, and their key allies, are going to get all sorts of job-related inducements...
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,445
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    The other thing that interests me is this.

    If the current system is retained, whereby it is whittled down to 2 and then the Members decide.

    Then supporters of Badenoch and Jenrick will try and engineer a Final 2 of 1 of them v Cleverly. Safe in the knowledge that the Members will reject Cleverly as being too sensible and moderate.

    I thought they were trying to do away with the members vote.
    Arent the vast majority of the electorate sensible, and moderate?
    Badenoch was miles clear on the last members poll that I saw.
    They did say that. And they lied. As usual.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Conservative_Party_leadership_election

    Lots of hot air additional stuff to make it look different.

    But when you boil it down, it is still MPs to reduce it to 2, then Members to decide.
    The MPs can manipulate it.
    And various of them will try to do exactly that.

    Remember how Truss got elected? She was 3rd all the way until the last ballot, when she narrowly overtook Mordaunt to come 2nd. She came 1st in precisely 0 of the MP ballots. But she was further to the Right than Sunak, so Members voted for her.

    Why do you think the Bookies have that twonk Jenrick so short? Because they suspect that his supporters will try and get to the last 2 without Badenoch.

    Which is why Patel and Tugendhat, and their key allies, are going to get all sorts of job-related inducements...
    The members dont have a good record of electing leaders.
    The most recent are, IDS, Haig, Cameron, Boris, and Truss.
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  • Bean81Bean81 Member Posts: 608
    Shaking my head at the Express. You would have to be quite thick to read that rag. The Mail is even worse.
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