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HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,811
edited September 23 in The Rail
Martin Lewis warns EDF, E.ON, Octopus customers to act 'quickly' as energy bills set to soar


https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/average-annual-energy-bill-rise-060429659.html
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  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,933
    So they reduce prices in Summer when less energy is used but increase prices in Winter when usage is higher, the energy companies ain't stupid but they obviously think their customers are as they do the same thing each year without any consequences of their actions. Also as well as the October hikes there is a further rise planned in January.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,811
    edited August 24
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,811
    edited August 24
    lucy4 said:

    So they reduce prices in Summer when less energy is used but increase prices in Winter when usage is higher, the energy companies ain't stupid but they obviously think their customers are as they do the same thing each year without any consequences of their actions. Also as well as the October hikes there is a further rise planned in January.

    What is the energy price cap and who gets winter fuel payments?


    What is the energy price cap?

    The energy price cap covers 28 million households in England, Wales and Scotland and is set every three months, external by the energy regulator Ofgem.

    It fixes the maximum price that can be charged for each unit of energy on a standard - or default - tariff for a typical dual-fuel household which pays by direct debit.

    Between 1 October and 31 December, gas prices will be capped at 6.24p per kilowatt hour (kWh), and electricity at 24.50p per kWh.

    A dual-fuel direct debit household using a typical amount of energy, external will pay £1,717 per year, a rise of £149.

    Those who pay their bills every three months by cash or cheque pay £1,829.

    However, the forecaster, Cornwall Insight, said prices could possibly rise again in January, owing to rising wholesale costs paid by suppliers.

    The cap does not apply in Northern Ireland, which has its own energy market.






    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58090533
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,811
  • green_beergreen_beer Member Posts: 1,936
    HAYSIE said:
    i got a letter about that yesterday, from my gas company, think im gonna try get it sorted tomorrow ;)
  • green_beergreen_beer Member Posts: 1,936
    When they can give away money like that just shows how much the rest of us are taken for mugs…..

    I was watching n reading about politics in Scotland yesterday, we are facing mega cuts because labour is cutting the funding from Westminster, labour is putting the blame on the snp for the cuts, madness to me, but I’m sure folk will jump on the bandwagon and agree with them, their reason for blaming the snp- u give free education and prescriptions and froze council tax…… when labour was actually the Labour Party they woulda championed such things imo……… I just hope people up here realise that new labour is not the people’s Labour Party of the past, I dread to think how they would run the Scottish parliament if they get the chance at the next election.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,767

    When they can give away money like that just shows how much the rest of us are taken for mugs…..

    I was watching n reading about politics in Scotland yesterday, we are facing mega cuts because labour is cutting the funding from Westminster, labour is putting the blame on the snp for the cuts, madness to me, but I’m sure folk will jump on the bandwagon and agree with them, their reason for blaming the snp- u give free education and prescriptions and froze council tax…… when labour was actually the Labour Party they woulda championed such things imo……… I just hope people up here realise that new labour is not the people’s Labour Party of the past, I dread to think how they would run the Scottish parliament if they get the chance at the next election.

    2 things to say about this.

    1. The article is very misleading. All it really is is a fund to write off certain debts. Essentially, if someone can prove via Debt Counsellors that they can't afford to pay it. So a Company making several £Billion profit gives back about 0.1% of its profits. Getting good publicity. Plus tax relief. On money they were unlikely to ever get back anyway

    2. A significant Minority of Scots people live in a different World to the rest of us. Or, more accurately, think they do. The SNP decided to give away massive amounts of money via free education and free prescriptions. Which it is unable to fund itself, even though it receives significant funding from the rest of the UK.

    I think Scottish Undergraduates and Postgraduates are important. Exactly as important as English/Welsh/Northern Irish ones. I wish that 100% of the UK could afford these things. But it cannot.

    And I fail to see why 90% of the UK should fund the 10% that is Scotland.

    England/Wales would love to do what Scotland has done. It cannot afford it. And certainly cannot afford to fund Scotland's wish list.

    The SNP have committed money they have not got. And seem to believe this is England/Labour's fault.

    As usual.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,767
    edited September 4
    Essexphil said:

    When they can give away money like that just shows how much the rest of us are taken for mugs…..

    I was watching n reading about politics in Scotland yesterday, we are facing mega cuts because labour is cutting the funding from Westminster, labour is putting the blame on the snp for the cuts, madness to me, but I’m sure folk will jump on the bandwagon and agree with them, their reason for blaming the snp- u give free education and prescriptions and froze council tax…… when labour was actually the Labour Party they woulda championed such things imo……… I just hope people up here realise that new labour is not the people’s Labour Party of the past, I dread to think how they would run the Scottish parliament if they get the chance at the next election.

    2 things to say about this.

    1. The article is very misleading. All it really is is a fund to write off certain debts. Essentially, if someone can prove via Debt Counsellors that they can't afford to pay it. So a Company making several £Billion profit gives back about 0.1% of its profits. Getting good publicity. Plus tax relief. On money they were unlikely to ever get back anyway

    2. A significant Minority of Scots people live in a different World to the rest of us. Or, more accurately, think they do. The SNP decided to give away massive amounts of money via free education and free prescriptions. Which it is unable to fund itself, even though it receives significant funding from the rest of the UK.

    I think Scottish Undergraduates and Postgraduates are important. Exactly as important as English/Welsh/Northern Irish ones. I wish that 100% of the UK could afford these things. But it cannot.

    And I fail to see why 90% of the UK should fund the 10% that is Scotland.

    England/Wales would love to do what Scotland has done. It cannot afford it. And certainly cannot afford to fund Scotland's wish list.

    The SNP have committed money they have not got. And seem to believe this is England/Labour's fault.

    As usual.
    Just to put the cost of free undergraduate tuition fees into perspective.

    There are approximately 100,000 Scottish students not being charged tuition fees. I know the fee charged to English students (including those studying as Scottish Universities) is £9,000-odd. But for the sake of my Maths, let's call that £10,000.

    100,000 x £10,000. £1 Billion. Your shortfall.
  • green_beergreen_beer Member Posts: 1,936
    edited September 4
    Essexphil said:

    When they can give away money like that just shows how much the rest of us are taken for mugs…..

    I was watching n reading about politics in Scotland yesterday, we are facing mega cuts because labour is cutting the funding from Westminster, labour is putting the blame on the snp for the cuts, madness to me, but I’m sure folk will jump on the bandwagon and agree with them, their reason for blaming the snp- u give free education and prescriptions and froze council tax…… when labour was actually the Labour Party they woulda championed such things imo……… I just hope people up here realise that new labour is not the people’s Labour Party of the past, I dread to think how they would run the Scottish parliament if they get the chance at the next election.

    2 things to say about this.

    1. The article is very misleading. All it really is is a fund to write off certain debts. Essentially, if someone can prove via Debt Counsellors that they can't afford to pay it. So a Company making several £Billion profit gives back about 0.1% of its profits. Getting good publicity. Plus tax relief. On money they were unlikely to ever get back anyway

    2. A significant Minority of Scots people live in a different World to the rest of us. Or, more accurately, think they do. The SNP decided to give away massive amounts of money via free education and free prescriptions. Which it is unable to fund itself, even though it receives significant funding from the rest of the UK.

    I think Scottish Undergraduates and Postgraduates are important. Exactly as important as English/Welsh/Northern Irish ones. I wish that 100% of the UK could afford these things. But it cannot.

    And I fail to see why 90% of the UK should fund the 10% that is Scotland.

    England/Wales would love to do what Scotland has done. It cannot afford it. And certainly cannot afford to fund Scotland's wish list.

    The SNP have committed money they have not got. And seem to believe this is England/Labour's fault.

    As usual.
    im glad to live in a different world, cause the one you all inhabit is rotten to the core, haha.

    it was a labour led government after devolution that introduced the abolishion of tuition fees.

    the snp recognise how important it is to educate the people and opt to keep such an important law in place. Education should be open to all not just those with the biggest bank balances, charging for education marginalises so many bright young minds and the fact england do not run a similar system is quite outrageous. If i was an englishman it would be one of the things I would choose to make a lot of noise over.

    maybe if they gave free education we would have enough people to fill the roles that need filled, like doctors and dentists...........

    as for funding issues, it simply because they waste so much on vanity projects and give tax breaks to their rich pals and big business imo, im pretty sure the hs2 money woulda been better spent on education of university students.....

    its the same with free prescriptions, these things are so important, the health of the nation is paramount to it functioning properly........charging people esp the poor for medication is just so wrong imo, it goes against what the NHS stands for, a course of antibiotics or inhalers for asthma etc ....should be a basic human right for all.

    and they go on about a black hole of 1billion in the nhs, why dont they just add it to the already unpayable debt, that option is there, just look at covid, they found 500 billion when they needed it........ i mean its not like the uk is ever going to be debt free.

    and i believe scotland generates a lotta wealth for the uk, it almost feels like you are saying england pay for everything in scotland..........

    and yes, i would vote for independance too, cause what we have right now just doesnt function properly.

  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,767
    I really wish I could agree with you.

    The World you want to live in sounds great. The problem is, it needs paying for. With money we haven't got. We live in the distinctly inferior real world that I am describing. The one we really do live in

    I had the good fortune as an Englishman to spend 4 years at a Scottish University. Without tuition fees. And with a Grant-because my parents were not wealthy. I wish those days still existed. They don't.

    If I were to go to that self same University today, I would be charged by that Scottish University £40,000 in Tuition fees. While watching my Scottish colleagues paying nothing. Which about 4,000 English students do at Scottish Universities every year.

    My youngest is just finishing at (an English) University. With about £50,000 of Student debt. Because England cannot afford to subsidise Graduate education any more.

    Vanity projects? England has a poor history on that. But I'm not being lectured on that by the SNP. You do know exactly how the SNP have been running the Country under Nicola Sturgeon, right? Something even the Tories can only marvel at.

    The SNP expects the English to pay for their vanity projects. Because scrapping free tuition would be a vote loser. Removing the freeze on Council Tax would be a vote loser. The SNP is demanding either England releases extra funds or give the Scottish Parliament the facility to borrow £Billions that it could not afford to repay. Which the rest of the UK is unwilling to bankroll.

    But remind me. If your country cannot afford it. Which it cannot. Why exactly should England fund something for Scotland that it cannot afford for the rest of the UK?

  • DoublemeDoubleme Member Posts: 2,141
    I saw OVO in the thread title I dont know was too tired to read this stuff etc kind of out of it at the mo etc, but I will say OVO are a bigger scam then Uber Eats never go with OVO.
  • green_beergreen_beer Member Posts: 1,936
    you are good haha, a tough customer because you got that education, im glad you agree that it should be in place.

    i really believe they could have the money for it, they just choose to spend it on different things. the vanity projects happen everywhere, in my city they do it all the time, trams mainly for tourists and bank workers, cycle lanes instead of fixing pot holes etc.....

    people in power always do it wrong, they are just people i guess........under sturgeon scotland was pretty good, its sad how it seems to have ended there.......

    "Because scrapping free tuition would be a vote loser. Removing the freeze on Council Tax would be a vote loser."

    i look at it as those things would negatively impact on the poorest in a time when they are toiling more than ever and in their heart they just cant do it to the people. (but you are right they probly would be vote losers)

    and I bet if scottish labour was in power right now that funding wouldnt be cut as much as it has been, its creating the perfect storm for the next scottish elections.......the blame game.......

    i also think you cant say scotland couldnt afford it, only way we would know that would be for complete independence....... the scottish governments hands are tied because they do not have full control over all the aspects of the country........


  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,767
    edited September 4
    It comes down to choices. Let's leave to 1 side the fact that some money doesn't go where it might. That's always going to happen. Not saying it should. Just that it will. And, comparatively, unlikely to be major differences between Scotland and the rest of the UK.

    It is certainly true that the Scottish Govt does not have complete control over its finances/economy. But it is equally true that it has considerable power to make major changes in the way taxes are raised/spent.

    There seem to me to be 4 major changes. Free tertiary education, free prescriptions, freezing of Council Tax, and some minor changes to Income Tax bands.

    The problem is this. That is 3 major increases in spending/reduction in Revenue. And only 1, relatively minor, increase in Revenue via tax banding.

    Which is the simple reason why you have a mahoosive black hole in your finances. Your Govt is making promises without funding them.

    I love Scotland. And I greatly admire its people. Always have. Always will. I accept that the English can be **** annoying. But it gets a bit dull blaming us every time Scotland makes a mistake.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,811
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,767
    Tine for an old joke (my wife says they are all my jokes). I'm pretty sure I'm the only Englishman to have told this joke in Scotland ;)

    When God created the World, he called in Representatives of all the future Nations to say what was to happen.

    When the Scottish Representative hears the plans for Scotland, he is a fair minded man, and feels he must protest.

    "God, that's very kind. But I think you may have been too generous. The best scenery, from Glens to Mountains. The best drink in the World-Scotch Whisky. People who may have the reputation for meanness, but are generous to a fault on social occasions. Thanks ever so much, but have you been too generous?"

    God waited until the Representative had left. Then turned to St Peter, winked, and said:-

    "I'm not being too generous. He doesn't know what Neighbours they are getting..."

    :)
  • green_beergreen_beer Member Posts: 1,936
    @Essexphil

    I kinda agree with what you are saying up to a point, but the only real change is the freezing of council tax and the raising of some tax bands, both these policies designed to help the poorest in society..... the free prescriptions and uni education have been long standing policy that also help level the playing field for the poorest in society.......

    I just believe they spend the money the wrong way and we are always told there are shortfalls and no cash for this or that, yet when they want to do something, they magically find the cash........... like look how long the people have wanted better railways and service, they say no real money for that, yet the come up with billions for hs2.......and then it fails to deliver......

    labour want to control the scottish parliment, it seems obvious to me that westminster will do everything in its power to make the snp's job of running scotland tougher, so their mates in scottish labour have a better chance of winning at the next election.....

    and come on, you know scotland never makes mistakes, we are perfect (hahahaha)
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