We should just go ahead and do it. What exactly can the ECHR do. If they fine us, just don't pay.
This is where my dislike of the unelected making rules that affect a Country they dont live in comes from.
Couldn't disagree more.
Put simply, you are looking at this with the view that causes large parts of the World to despise us. Namely, the thinking that says it is just the view if the British that matter. And that the rest of the world is composed purely of "foreigners" whose views do not count.
Let's start with the lead in that twisted Mail article-Fahad Mihyi. Yes-he was a terrorist. In 1978. And committed a terrorist atrocity designed to kill Israelis. In 1978. To the best of my knowledge and belief, he is no longer a terrorist. Why? Firstly, I am unaware of any illicit activity since. And, secondly, one of the main reasons he was paroled in 2003 was the heartfelt support he received. From 1 of the Israelis he had wounded. Who I believe has a better right to judge whether or not he had changed than you or I.
Then there is a question of where you deport him to. Were he to go to Palestine, he would be killed within a matter of days. We don't deport people to face inevitable death. Regardless of whether or not we are in the ECHR. Why? Because, despite the efforts of some, we are still a civilised country.
Then there is the question as to who gets to decide whether someone lives in their country. Just because someone was born in Palestine, doesn't mean we can automatically ship them back whenever we feel like it. Let's use Shamima Begum as a relevant comparison. Regardless of whether or not I agreed with the decision to refuse her readmission, that decision was for the UK to make. It wasn't for Syria (or anywhere else) to determine who lives in the UK. Any more than it is for us to decree who lives elsewhere.
The ECHR Rules will apply whenever we want to expel someone to another country in various circumstances. Whether we are in it or not. It might theoretically strengthen our ability to refuse re-entry to British Nationals-but Shamima Begum shows that that is not a problem for the UK.
Hate to break it to you. We don't rule the World. And leaving the ECHR will not change that. It will just lower our standing still further. And actually cause more legal problems. Not less.
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This is where my dislike of the unelected making rules that affect a Country they dont live in comes from.
Put simply, you are looking at this with the view that causes large parts of the World to despise us. Namely, the thinking that says it is just the view if the British that matter. And that the rest of the world is composed purely of "foreigners" whose views do not count.
Let's start with the lead in that twisted Mail article-Fahad Mihyi. Yes-he was a terrorist. In 1978. And committed a terrorist atrocity designed to kill Israelis. In 1978. To the best of my knowledge and belief, he is no longer a terrorist. Why? Firstly, I am unaware of any illicit activity since. And, secondly, one of the main reasons he was paroled in 2003 was the heartfelt support he received. From 1 of the Israelis he had wounded. Who I believe has a better right to judge whether or not he had changed than you or I.
Then there is a question of where you deport him to. Were he to go to Palestine, he would be killed within a matter of days. We don't deport people to face inevitable death. Regardless of whether or not we are in the ECHR. Why? Because, despite the efforts of some, we are still a civilised country.
Then there is the question as to who gets to decide whether someone lives in their country. Just because someone was born in Palestine, doesn't mean we can automatically ship them back whenever we feel like it. Let's use Shamima Begum as a relevant comparison. Regardless of whether or not I agreed with the decision to refuse her readmission, that decision was for the UK to make. It wasn't for Syria (or anywhere else) to determine who lives in the UK. Any more than it is for us to decree who lives elsewhere.
The ECHR Rules will apply whenever we want to expel someone to another country in various circumstances. Whether we are in it or not. It might theoretically strengthen our ability to refuse re-entry to British Nationals-but Shamima Begum shows that that is not a problem for the UK.
Hate to break it to you. We don't rule the World. And leaving the ECHR will not change that. It will just lower our standing still further. And actually cause more legal problems. Not less.
No wonder the whole third world wants to live here.