So let out after 40% of sentence for violent crimes if you're a relative unknown but 14 months for contmpt if the judiciary have an agenda.
Yes, the man is reprehensible but I thought we were only jailing people for serious offences due to a lack of space.
Contempt of Court is a serious offence.
This vile man told thousands of people that an innocent young man was a violent thug. He was sued, and, as well as doing everything in his power to avoid paying what a Court told him to pay, received an express Court Order, telling him not to repeat his vile slurs.
By his own admission, he breached that Order 10 times. Including at least 1 occasion where he broadcast a whole film's worth of the exact same lies to thousands of people.
Then you need to look at his previous. I am not just referring to his various crimes of violence resulting in prison sentences, including a serious assault on a Police Officer. Or his jail time for Mortgage Fraud. Or for his immigration offences, including travelling on more than 1 false passport.
He has several previous convictions, including prison time, for this exact same thing. Contempt of Court.
The judiciary do have an agenda. The Rule of Law.
1 of his false passports claims he is born in Ireland. Perhaps we could forcibly deport him.
He'd probably claim that he would receive harsh treatment on his arrival aparrently the ECHR says therefore that we cannot.
I thought that we did not look at peoples previous, especially when they have served the time for those offences.
Don't misunderstand me. I find this person to be a loasthsome, repugnant, individual who is so low as to be able to limbo undear a snake whilst on stilts and sporting a top hat. However, contempt is one of those things that seems to result in a disparity of punishment.
This I feel, is one where the Courts are getting their licks in. Does he deserve it, definately, just be aware that the uneducated in society will percieve this as a man from one side of the spectrum being imprisoned for rhetoric, whilst those from a different side are almost given free reign to spout bile.
He accused a 15-yr-old refugee of doing some terrible things. None of which were remotely true. He then encouraged 1 of his fanboys to attack this lad multiple times, involving various broken bones. As well as attacking his Sister.
Robinson was sued, and there was a Court Order expressly forbidding him from repeating the original allegations.
His response? He made a film. Repeating everything. And forcing the lad and his family to flee from the area they lived.
What is not publicly revealed is the courage shown by the various Judges. Most or all of which have had very explicit threats made to both themselves and their families by the Robinson fan club.
His Wikipedia page is quite long. Because his crimes have been considerable. If this is too long, I would point you to 2 particular things:-
1. The Almondsbury School libel section; and 2. His "bankruptcy". Received over £2 million from his supporters. A house purchased via Mortgage fraud gifted to his wife. Yet, as a convicted fraudster, managed to rack up £2 million of debt. While swanning round the World. Despite the immigration offences.
He accused a 15-yr-old refugee of doing some terrible things. None of which were remotely true. He then encouraged 1 of his fanboys to attack this lad multiple times, involving various broken bones. As well as attacking his Sister.
Robinson was sued, and there was a Court Order expressly forbidding him from repeating the original allegations.
His response? He made a film. Repeating everything. And forcing the lad and his family to flee from the area they lived.
What is not publicly revealed is the courage shown by the various Judges. Most or all of which have had very explicit threats made to both themselves and their families by the Robinson fan club.
His Wikipedia page is quite long. Because his crimes have been considerable. If this is too long, I would point you to 2 particular things:-
1. The Almondsbury School libel section; and 2. His "bankruptcy". Received over £2 million from his supporters. A house purchased via Mortgage fraud gifted to his wife. Yet, as a convicted fraudster, managed to rack up £2 million of debt. While swanning round the World. Despite the immigration offences.
If he was a Muslim he would really hate himself.
I do not disagree with anything that you have put although I don't really understand your last sentence.
If you examined every post on this forum over the years regarding this scumbag you will not find 1 where I support, condone or even appear indifferent to him.
As I said, the ill informed and uneducated will construe this as an attack on Patriotism, free speech, and anything else that can be whipped up to create division.
Perhaps responsible reporting and actual fact stating would go a long way to help but for the majority of the Greggs consuming, Sun reading, Stella supping public, Contempt of court is though of as being uncooperative or fibbing on the stand.
You can bet that certain elements of the media want more rioting, fighting, civil unrest and lawlesness. More press means more advertising which means more revenue.
I do however thank you for educating me. Never too old and all that. I do enjoy employment law, contracts and tortes if you are so inclined.
Please don't misunderstand me. Wasn't having a go.
There are lots of people whose views I do not share. And-99% of the time-the answer is-"so what?"
We can all have differing views. We should have differing views. It is what makes humanity fascinating.
So-I will dislike various Far Left politicians. And probably dislike a rather larger selection of Far Right politicians. Being a Lefty Liberal
Most of them-I just disagree with them. A Badenoch, a Jenrick, even a Farage-they are perfectly entitled to their views. However much they grate on me.
Then there is a smaller group who really push the margins. Ones that I vary between dislike and something more primal. Like Trump, for example.
But then there is a really small group. That are a waste of flesh. And that is where you will find a small number of people who offer nothing but bigotry and hatred. Who, in most of the Europe, unite behind just 1 man.
I take your point about the way Contempt of Court must look. It does sound elitist. But it is not. Judges are the doormen of the legal system. Who say when someone cannot do certain things. And-much like doormen-retribution follows if they get ignored. Because-in its way-it is the exact same system of order.
TheEdge949 You're building a Mountain instead of climbing one.! Empty the bag on them. He! He!
Power Hungry Judge......... I'm the Boss you are a very naughty boy.
A large fine would have been better as jail keeps him a Mandela to his supporters. hic!
The problem with a large fine is that firstly, he wouldn't pay it meaning that he's either further in contempt and so the beat goes on or, his supporters crowd fund and pay it for him.
However, I am in agreement that a prison sentence somewhat martyrs him in the eyes of his followers.
Certainly I give it less than 2 weeks before an incident in the prison hits the news with him being the victim of course.
Tommy Robinson jailed for contempt of court - but could be out in under four months
The second claim was issued in August this year for six further breaches of the court order. Robinson repeated the allegations in three online interviews in June and July, including one with Jordan Peterson, the Canadian psychologist.
The other three breaches were the publishing of Silenced on X in June, the publication of a version with a new introduction in July, and the playing of the film to a demonstration in Trafalgar Square on July 27.
Aidan Eardley KC, for the Solicitor General, told the court that the second contempt claim was issued after “continuing concerning behaviour by Mr Yaxley-Lennon”.
The court heard that Silenced had been viewed “very extensively”, including being seen by 2.2 million people after being reposted by the controversial influencer Andrew Tate.
Mr Eardley said in written submissions that by the time the second claim was issued, the film “had received 44 million views on X alone”.
“Because the nature of the film is to effectively re-run the case that failed at trial, it substantially repeats all the allegations made at trial,” he said.
Mr Eardley told the court that Robinson’s “declared intentions to disobey the order” and failure to remove Silenced from his social media accounts moved his offending into “an even higher category”.
“It is a continual breach,” he said. “This material is still out there. He could take it off Twitter if he wanted to.”
Concluding his remarks, Mr Eardley drew a smirk of apparent disbelief from Robinson when he said: “This is not a case about Mr Yaxley-Lennon’s political views. It is not even directly a case about freedom of expression.
“It is a case about the disobedience to a court order, and the undermining of the rule of law that goes with that.”
She told the court that the production of Silenced had been funded by Infowars, a company run by Alex Jones, an American who has claimed that the 2012 Sandy Hook school massacre was a hoax.
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Yes, the man is reprehensible but I thought we were only jailing people for serious offences due to a lack of space.
This vile man told thousands of people that an innocent young man was a violent thug. He was sued, and, as well as doing everything in his power to avoid paying what a Court told him to pay, received an express Court Order, telling him not to repeat his vile slurs.
By his own admission, he breached that Order 10 times. Including at least 1 occasion where he broadcast a whole film's worth of the exact same lies to thousands of people.
Then you need to look at his previous. I am not just referring to his various crimes of violence resulting in prison sentences, including a serious assault on a Police Officer. Or his jail time for Mortgage Fraud. Or for his immigration offences, including travelling on more than 1 false passport.
He has several previous convictions, including prison time, for this exact same thing. Contempt of Court.
The judiciary do have an agenda. The Rule of Law.
1 of his false passports claims he is born in Ireland. Perhaps we could forcibly deport him.
I thought that we did not look at peoples previous, especially when they have served the time for those offences.
Don't misunderstand me. I find this person to be a loasthsome, repugnant, individual who is so low as to be able to limbo undear a snake whilst on stilts and sporting a top hat. However, contempt is one of those things that seems to result in a disparity of punishment.
This I feel, is one where the Courts are getting their licks in. Does he deserve it, definately, just be aware that the uneducated in society will percieve this as a man from one side of the spectrum being imprisoned for rhetoric, whilst those from a different side are almost given free reign to spout bile.
Just saying.
He accused a 15-yr-old refugee of doing some terrible things. None of which were remotely true. He then encouraged 1 of his fanboys to attack this lad multiple times, involving various broken bones. As well as attacking his Sister.
Robinson was sued, and there was a Court Order expressly forbidding him from repeating the original allegations.
His response? He made a film. Repeating everything. And forcing the lad and his family to flee from the area they lived.
What is not publicly revealed is the courage shown by the various Judges. Most or all of which have had very explicit threats made to both themselves and their families by the Robinson fan club.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson
His Wikipedia page is quite long. Because his crimes have been considerable. If this is too long, I would point you to 2 particular things:-
1. The Almondsbury School libel section; and
2. His "bankruptcy". Received over £2 million from his supporters. A house purchased via Mortgage fraud gifted to his wife. Yet, as a convicted fraudster, managed to rack up £2 million of debt. While swanning round the World. Despite the immigration offences.
If he was a Muslim he would really hate himself.
If you examined every post on this forum over the years regarding this scumbag you will not find 1 where I support, condone or even appear indifferent to him.
As I said, the ill informed and uneducated will construe this as an attack on Patriotism, free speech, and anything else that can be whipped up to create division.
Perhaps responsible reporting and actual fact stating would go a long way to help but for the majority of the Greggs consuming, Sun reading, Stella supping public, Contempt of court is though of as being uncooperative or fibbing on the stand.
You can bet that certain elements of the media want more rioting, fighting, civil unrest and lawlesness. More press means more advertising which means more revenue.
I do however thank you for educating me. Never too old and all that. I do enjoy employment law, contracts and tortes if you are so inclined.
There are lots of people whose views I do not share. And-99% of the time-the answer is-"so what?"
We can all have differing views. We should have differing views. It is what makes humanity fascinating.
So-I will dislike various Far Left politicians. And probably dislike a rather larger selection of Far Right politicians. Being a Lefty Liberal
Most of them-I just disagree with them. A Badenoch, a Jenrick, even a Farage-they are perfectly entitled to their views. However much they grate on me.
Then there is a smaller group who really push the margins. Ones that I vary between dislike and something more primal. Like Trump, for example.
But then there is a really small group. That are a waste of flesh. And that is where you will find a small number of people who offer nothing but bigotry and hatred. Who, in most of the Europe, unite behind just 1 man.
I take your point about the way Contempt of Court must look. It does sound elitist. But it is not. Judges are the doormen of the legal system. Who say when someone cannot do certain things. And-much like doormen-retribution follows if they get ignored. Because-in its way-it is the exact same system of order.
Power Hungry Judge......... I'm the Boss you are a very naughty boy.
A large fine would have been better as jail keeps him a Mandela to his supporters. hic!
However, I am in agreement that a prison sentence somewhat martyrs him in the eyes of his followers.
Certainly I give it less than 2 weeks before an incident in the prison hits the news with him being the victim of course.
If the fine is paid the debt is paid ..... move on.
The second claim was issued in August this year for six further breaches of the court order. Robinson repeated the allegations in three online interviews in June and July, including one with Jordan Peterson, the Canadian psychologist.
The other three breaches were the publishing of Silenced on X in June, the publication of a version with a new introduction in July, and the playing of the film to a demonstration in Trafalgar Square on July 27.
Aidan Eardley KC, for the Solicitor General, told the court that the second contempt claim was issued after “continuing concerning behaviour by Mr Yaxley-Lennon”.
The court heard that Silenced had been viewed “very extensively”, including being seen by 2.2 million people after being reposted by the controversial influencer Andrew Tate.
Mr Eardley said in written submissions that by the time the second claim was issued, the film “had received 44 million views on X alone”.
“Because the nature of the film is to effectively re-run the case that failed at trial, it substantially repeats all the allegations made at trial,” he said.
Mr Eardley told the court that Robinson’s “declared intentions to disobey the order” and failure to remove Silenced from his social media accounts moved his offending into “an even higher category”.
“It is a continual breach,” he said. “This material is still out there. He could take it off Twitter if he wanted to.”
Concluding his remarks, Mr Eardley drew a smirk of apparent disbelief from Robinson when he said: “This is not a case about Mr Yaxley-Lennon’s political views. It is not even directly a case about freedom of expression.
“It is a case about the disobedience to a court order, and the undermining of the rule of law that goes with that.”
She told the court that the production of Silenced had been funded by Infowars, a company run by Alex Jones, an American who has claimed that the 2012 Sandy Hook school massacre was a hoax.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/tommy-robinson-admits-contempt-court-105553078.html