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Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
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chkngeorge | Small blind | 6000.00 | 6000.00 | 371204.50 | |
MynaFrett | Big blind | 12000.00 | 18000.00 | 97795.50 | |
Your hole cards |
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chkngeorge | Call | 6000.00 | 24000.00 | 365204.50 | |
MynaFrett | Check | ||||
Flop | |||||
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MynaFrett | Check | ||||
chkngeorge | Bet | 12000.00 | 36000.00 | 353204.50 | |
MynaFrett | Call | 12000.00 | 48000.00 | 85795.50 | |
Turn | |||||
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MynaFrett | Check | ||||
chkngeorge | Bet | 15000.00 | 63000.00 | 338204.50 |
Comments
If the guy has a flush or a straight then its just a cooler and bad luck, but you still have a redraw to full house. your only option is to shove here.
Just to play devil's advocate then I will attempt to counter your points by saying we definitely have a calling range here even at such shallow depths and out of position, it's definitely not a shove or fold only spot. I know I asked about this two pair combination specifically but ignoring the exact hand for a moment and thinking more in terms of ranges the spot isn't as black and white as you seem to suggest and there will be some crossover between the relative strength of some combinations which are choosing to call sometimes and shove sometimes. A turn call here puts the pot at 78,000 leaving 70,000 in my stack. Opponent has chosen a very nice size which still allows him to have a bet-folding range on turn whilst also leaving a river SPR that can still generate folds from some hands when he chooses to follow through on some runouts with some parts of his range that decide to triple barrel vs check-call, check-call, check (this range has to and will include bluffs as opponent is a competent player). You also only mention running into hands we are currently behind. It's a spot where both players have flushes, offsuit straight combo's and some suited combo's of straights. Both players also have pair + draw or single pair or (occasionally) two overcard one heart hands and one overcard/heart hands. It's of course not a situation where we only get called by better hands when we shove but it's also not a situation where opponent (in position and covering) doesn't have low equity bluffs/semi bluffs which are bet-folding. He will also have some 'value' that decides to bet-fold sometimes facing the check-shove. We will also have check-raises all-in with some semi-bluffs/combo draws/blocker stuff which is 'weaker' than this two pair on the turn and some check-raises all-in with some hands which are already 'stronger' than this two pair on the turn so we are already kind of in the middle ground with some two pair combinations.
It's a more interesting spot than it appears at first glance and I think some people might be surprised at just how much playability and options you actually still have in heads up spots even when out of position with a <10bb stack...
That said, I will end by saying I'm still bad heads up. I'm probably not too much better than 50/50 in terms of converting heads up situations into tournament wins and that's particularly bad when playing bounty hunters on Sky where the difference between 1st and 2nd with bounties is far greater than on any other site. I'll admit to having never really looked at heads up play and that is not great for any semi-serious player or anyone who wants to be winning tournaments regularly. I'll also admit to not getting heads up nearly enough and that's part of the problem as well, so just not getting enough practice. I've never really been interested in single table sit and go or 'spin' formats, played maybe a handful of 6 handed sit and go with two players paid and no kind of 'spin' or three handed game with one paid. Playing some of these (even if just at very low stakes) would be a good way of getting better at heads up but I honestly can't be bothered to find the time to put in any kind of volume with those.
In game with the short time to act I felt like those hands protecting the passive line might have to come from some two pair combinations but I didn't know which ones (if any) might prefer call and which prefer shove. It seems like people so far are kind of lumping "two pairs" together as a block of hands, or a class of hands if you like, that simply have to go all-in and that's fair comment and seems intuitive but I was looking at it a bit differently. My no doubt flawed thought process in the short amount of time to act had me thinking that whilst the 9c5c can shove and 'cooler' those dominated flopped two pairs that he can have he will still shove some of those for 'value' on some runouts PLUS I can potentially keep in those triple barrel bluffs that were bet-folding turn, ideally the ones with only ~25% equity... but the fact that this board is so dynamic with so many 'bad'/or action killing rivers for both players, coupled with the fact that this two pair combo dominates all the others that have to call it off means it is in fact always a shove. Some of the other two pairs are being played as a check-call though. That's why I thought it was an interesting one to look at.
@FeelGroggy