When someone wants to run this sort of argument, they are usually genuine. Here is why.
Suppose you have a clean licence. For this sort of speed, you will normally get either 6 points on your licence. Or a ban-normally for about 8 weeks. And then (after the ban) you still have a clean licence. Because it is a ban or points added. Not both
If you get to 12 points, that is a "totting" ban. Normally for 6 months. Which (obviously) is rather more than 8 weeks. So, if advising him, you need to be sure he knows he means it when he says he won't do it again.
Don't know if the Law is still the same. But the fun used to start when someone doing this already had 6 or 9 points on their licence. When the aim was to try and achieve the 8 week ban for speeding, rather than the 6 month ban under the totting up procedure
DVLA could change driving rule as some motorists still driving with 176 points.
Three drivers have more than 100 points and 53 have at least 30 - despite most people being banned after hitting 12 points.
In Britain, over 50 individuals are still legally driving with valid licences despite accumulating at least 30 penalty points, leading to demands for compulsory retraining for habitual offenders. Astonishingly, three male drivers have surpassed the 100-point mark, with one 26 year old amassing a staggering 176 points, as revealed by PA news agency's analysis of official data.
The highest-scoring woman is a 50 year old with 96 points. Currently, 53 people have accumulated at least 30 points on their licence. Points are typically given for various road offences, such as careless driving (three to nine points), drink-driving (three to eleven points), and speeding (three to six points).
According to standard procedure, drivers should face a six-month disqualification if they accrue 12 or more points within three years, but some avoid this by proving 'exceptional hardship', which might include significant impacts on employment or family care. Shockingly, there are 10,056 drivers who still have a valid licence even after hitting the 12-point threshold. Nicholas Lyes, IAM RoadSmart's director of policy and standards, expressed his concern: "These shocking statistics call into question whether the definition of exceptional hardship needs reviewing."
Motorists who accumulate 12 or more penalty points on their licence are normally at risk of a driving ban, but it appears that a small number continue to disregard the law without concern. As a minimum, drivers who reach this threshold should be required to undertake additional training, even if a court decides not to revoke their licence due to exceptional hardship.
Penalty points remain on driving records for up to 11 years after an offence, allowing some individuals with multiple convictions to continue driving after serving a disqualification period. Data from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA), taken on September 14, does not reveal how many drivers avoided a ban despite reaching 12 points.
Steve Gooding, director of the RAC Foundation, a motoring research charity, commented: "It would be reassuring to know that someone in authority was monitoring both the absolute number of licence holders swerving a ban and the reasons why they've been granted leave to keep driving."
"A bit more transparency in the system might ensure the right balance is being struck between personal mobility and our collective safety. It could also improve public confidence in justice. Exceptional hardship needs to be truly exceptional."
The DVLA's role is to record information provided by courts, and it has no influence on sentencing decisions. The agency stated that when the threshold of 12 points is met but a disqualification is not imposed, they contact the relevant court to verify if that was the intention.
It may not be as mad as it appears at first sight.
I have only ever advised 1 man who ended up with over 30 points and no ban. The facts were these.
The guy drove down the same road every day both to and from work. Had done for many years.
There was a temporary speed limit introduced, knocking the speed limit down from 50 to 30. Together with a speed camera that was not obvious.
Guy should have known about the change. But he did not. And was caught 10 times in a week travelling at between 45 and 55 miles per hour. And-the minute he received the 1st Penalty Notice, had not exceeded the speed limit since. He also had a genuinely urgent need for a car, due to his Wife's ongoing chemotherapy treatment.
Not saying he hadn't done wrong. But who wants to give him a 6 month ban?
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When someone wants to run this sort of argument, they are usually genuine. Here is why.
Suppose you have a clean licence. For this sort of speed, you will normally get either 6 points on your licence. Or a ban-normally for about 8 weeks. And then (after the ban) you still have a clean licence. Because it is a ban or points added. Not both
If you get to 12 points, that is a "totting" ban. Normally for 6 months. Which (obviously) is rather more than 8 weeks. So, if advising him, you need to be sure he knows he means it when he says he won't do it again.
Don't know if the Law is still the same. But the fun used to start when someone doing this already had 6 or 9 points on their licence. When the aim was to try and achieve the 8 week ban for speeding, rather than the 6 month ban under the totting up procedure
Three drivers have more than 100 points and 53 have at least 30 - despite most people being banned after hitting 12 points.
In Britain, over 50 individuals are still legally driving with valid licences despite accumulating at least 30 penalty points, leading to demands for compulsory retraining for habitual offenders. Astonishingly, three male drivers have surpassed the 100-point mark, with one 26 year old amassing a staggering 176 points, as revealed by PA news agency's analysis of official data.
The highest-scoring woman is a 50 year old with 96 points. Currently, 53 people have accumulated at least 30 points on their licence. Points are typically given for various road offences, such as careless driving (three to nine points), drink-driving (three to eleven points), and speeding (three to six points).
According to standard procedure, drivers should face a six-month disqualification if they accrue 12 or more points within three years, but some avoid this by proving 'exceptional hardship', which might include significant impacts on employment or family care. Shockingly, there are 10,056 drivers who still have a valid licence even after hitting the 12-point threshold. Nicholas Lyes, IAM RoadSmart's director of policy and standards, expressed his concern: "These shocking statistics call into question whether the definition of exceptional hardship needs reviewing."
Motorists who accumulate 12 or more penalty points on their licence are normally at risk of a driving ban, but it appears that a small number continue to disregard the law without concern. As a minimum, drivers who reach this threshold should be required to undertake additional training, even if a court decides not to revoke their licence due to exceptional hardship.
Penalty points remain on driving records for up to 11 years after an offence, allowing some individuals with multiple convictions to continue driving after serving a disqualification period. Data from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA), taken on September 14, does not reveal how many drivers avoided a ban despite reaching 12 points.
Steve Gooding, director of the RAC Foundation, a motoring research charity, commented: "It would be reassuring to know that someone in authority was monitoring both the absolute number of licence holders swerving a ban and the reasons why they've been granted leave to keep driving."
"A bit more transparency in the system might ensure the right balance is being struck between personal mobility and our collective safety. It could also improve public confidence in justice. Exceptional hardship needs to be truly exceptional."
The DVLA's role is to record information provided by courts, and it has no influence on sentencing decisions. The agency stated that when the threshold of 12 points is met but a disqualification is not imposed, they contact the relevant court to verify if that was the intention.
I have only ever advised 1 man who ended up with over 30 points and no ban. The facts were these.
The guy drove down the same road every day both to and from work. Had done for many years.
There was a temporary speed limit introduced, knocking the speed limit down from 50 to 30. Together with a speed camera that was not obvious.
Guy should have known about the change. But he did not. And was caught 10 times in a week travelling at between 45 and 55 miles per hour. And-the minute he received the 1st Penalty Notice, had not exceeded the speed limit since. He also had a genuinely urgent need for a car, due to his Wife's ongoing chemotherapy treatment.
Not saying he hadn't done wrong. But who wants to give him a 6 month ban?