Wavering supporters of assisted dying bill ‘are not certain to vote it into law’

HAYSIE

VespaPX

Where are all the "my body, my choice" people ?

goldon

Their all at the Abortion Clinic..... hic!

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Wavering supporters of assisted dying bill ‘are not certain to vote it into law’


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/wavering-supporters-assisted-dying-bill-170032942.html

HAYSIE

Essexphil

Some of the debate on this has been rather inaccurate.

Simply because, as it stands, this will neither be the great burden on the NHS claimed, nor will it be the thing that provides relief as claimed. Simply because the numbers for all this are going to be low. Very low.

Under this Bill, there are a whole host of criteria necessary to qualify. For example:-

1. Terminal diagnosis
2. Less than 6 months to live
3. Mental capacity to be able to choose to end own life
4. 2 Doctors and a Court to agree with all the above

Which rules out the vast majority of people who may want to end their own life. For 2 simple reasons:-

(1) When life expectancy is that low, a depressingly large amount of people lack capacity, either due to dementia or medication; and

(2) If you are of sound mind, how many want to spend more than half the time they have left dealing with Doctors and Courts? Because that is going to take time. A lot of time. When time is the 1 thing in short supply

HAYSIE

Essexphil said:

Some of the debate on this has been rather inaccurate.

Simply because, as it stands, this will neither be the great burden on the NHS claimed, nor will it be the thing that provides relief as claimed. Simply because the numbers for all this are going to be low. Very low.

Under this Bill, there are a whole host of criteria necessary to qualify. For example:-

1. Terminal diagnosis
2. Less than 6 months to live
3. Mental capacity to be able to choose to end own life
4. 2 Doctors and a Court to agree with all the above

Which rules out the vast majority of people who may want to end their own life. For 2 simple reasons:-

(1) When life expectancy is that low, a depressingly large amount of people lack capacity, either due to dementia or medication; and

(2) If you are of sound mind, how many want to spend more than half the time they have left dealing with Doctors and Courts? Because that is going to take time. A lot of time. When time is the 1 thing in short supply

Nobody could be in favour of anyone that has been diagnosed with a terminal illness having to spend their last few months in excruciating pain.
Yet as you have pointed out, to take account of all eventualities in the legislation will be at best, extremely difficult, and at worst impossible.
I havent read too much about this, but I believe that anyone that is disabled is exempt.
Isnt that descriminatory, and unfair?
I would think that anyone going through this process would also require legal advice, which would also prove to be time consuming.

Essexphil

People are making too much of the medico-legal stuff.

All the professionals will look at is less than 6 months to live and mental capacity to make a free choice.

Not saying that is simple (it is not). But they will not get involved in the merits of ending life.

Perfectly legal to discriminate provided it is for the benefit of those affected

HAYSIE

Essexphil said:

People are making too much of the medico-legal stuff.

All the professionals will look at is less than 6 months to live and mental capacity to make a free choice.

Not saying that is simple (it is not). But they will not get involved in the merits of ending life.

Perfectly legal to discriminate provided it is for the benefit of those affected

How could a disabled person benefit from having to go through the pain?

tai-gar

Essexphil said:

People are making too much of the medico-legal stuff.

All the professionals will look at is less than 6 months to live and mental capacity to make a free choice.

Not saying that is simple (it is not). But they will not get involved in the merits of ending life.

Perfectly legal to discriminate provided it is for the benefit of those affected

Lets face it the choice has always been there. The only difference is whether the recorded death is "assisted dying" , "suicide" or "murder".

VespaPX

If power of attornery (health) has been sorted, can relatives make the decision?

Enut

VespaPX said:

If power of attornery (health) has been sorted, can relatives make the decision?

I very much doubt it as they have to act in the best interest of the person involved. It would be a very brave attorney that tries to argue that assisted suicide is in their best interest, especially as it won't meet the criteria @Essexphil mentioned above.

Essexphil

tai-gar said:

Essexphil said:

People are making too much of the medico-legal stuff.

All the professionals will look at is less than 6 months to live and mental capacity to make a free choice.

Not saying that is simple (it is not). But they will not get involved in the merits of ending life.

Perfectly legal to discriminate provided it is for the benefit of those affected

Lets face it the choice has always been there. The only difference is whether the recorded death is "assisted dying" , "suicide" or "murder".

We have the rather strange situation, that was created by the Suicide Act 1961.

Section 1 abolished the Criminal Offence of attempting to commit suicide.
And yet, at the same time, Section 2 expressly makes it an offence to "encourage" or "assist" in that decision. And that is still in force.

It is ridiculous that someone acting with the best of intentions can still be prosecuted for "assisting" when it is not done for gain or anything improper.

And no Power of Attorney would be able to allow this, either now or under the proposed new legislation.

HAYSIE