So that's terrible for the micro guys we've been talking about right? Not necessarily. What I think could happen in that scenario is that the £5.50 single entry £800 bounty hunter starting at 18:30 (which consistently gets around £1000 as it is) becomes the new mini in all but name, especially if it was given a nice looking £1000 gtd in the lobby or a more ambitious £1250... The advantages this tournament already has over the mini (in my opinion) are its start time and proximity to the freeroll which is getting nearly 600 runners - how many more of those players in that freeroll are going to be drawn to that £5.50 single entry bounty hunter which finishes between 22:30 and 23:00 if it has the same prize pool as the current mini on those nights which is two hours away from that freeroll and also runs much too late for a lot of them? Of course I don't know and it's all supposition and assumption on my part but I have/did spend a lot of years cherry picking tournaments from lots of different sites in the £2.20 - £10 buy-in range and a £1250 bounty hunter on Sky starting at 18:30 for £5.50 would have had me absolutely salivating.
FTR, the 6.30BH used to be £1k GTD. However, as already stated elsewhere, some players might not be able to start their evening poker scheudule till 8/830 due to (for example) work commitments/Family life. HOWEVER, I pretty much fully agree with all your points made in this paragraph.
I am still personally against making all the Minis rebuy/add on tournaments. BUT, I now realise that some tweaking may be needed to enhance these games for the benifit of Sky Poker and/or the players.
Do you think that the fact that the Tuesday Mini is so popular could be down to having a Starting Stack of 10,000 chips ?
...and though I don't play it 'coz I'm out on a Saturday Night, doesn't the Saturday Sharpshooter Mini have more starting chips too?
I know the Tuesday Gold Rush Mini Turbo structure is faster, but certainly for myself, it's nice to think that you've lots of chips to keep on playing, when you've made the inevitable mistake
I'd be up for the 7.30pm earlier start, and a mixture of 7mins and 10 mins Blinds on alternate nights, but a starting stack of 5.000 chips (especially in a Speed Mini at 8.30pm ....love that idea @Essexphil )
I possibly shouldn't be putting my 2penneth in 'coz I very rarely play Bounty Hunters, but one I do normally try and qualify for through the Sat's, is the Gold Rush on a Tuesday, and sometimes play the Tuesday Mini if I Fail To Qualify, just because of the increased amount of starting chips, and I'm sure there are many more players who think like me too.
Move all minis from the 20:30 start time to a 19:30 start time but leave the existing blind structures as they are (no need for rebranding)
I voted for 7:30PM myself but part of me suggests making the mini at 8pm.
I know we already have the main event at 8pm but when you look at other poker sites they always have the main and mini feature events beginning at the same time.
The idea of having them both at the same time is that you've got both the main event itself drawing in all the regs and any recs who can afford to play in, then those who can't afford to play the main event but want to play an event get the chance to play a smaller buy in of the same sort right away.
As much as we are suggesting things like this I highly doubt it will do much to draw the crowd in.
regs- If you wanted to draw more regs into sky then surely it's best to allow customizable bet size buttons and an ante style format. I suggested doing UKOPS to number a of players and a number of them feel put off by not being able to change chips to bb, customize bet size buttons others laugh there head off when told about non antes format.
recs-if you want to draw more recs, it might be time to create a mystery bounty MTT. Mystery bounties have become so popular recently and so many sites do them now, sites know recs are what they want and the thought of getting lucky and winning a big prize without even coming 1st feels massive to a rec so they love to play mystery bounties
regs- If you wanted to draw more regs into sky then surely it's best to allow customizable bet size buttons and an ante style format. I suggested doing UKOPS to number a of players and a number of them feel put off by not being able to change chips to bb, customize bet size buttons others laugh there head off when told about non antes format.
recs-if you want to draw more recs, it might be time to create a mystery bounty MTT. Mystery bounties have become so popular recently and so many sites do them now, sites know recs are what they want and the thought of getting lucky and winning a big prize without even coming 1st feels massive to a rec so they love to play mystery bounties
Good to hear from you Craig, hope you are doing well.
I think we have all come to accept that the software and non ante format isn't going anywhere at this point. I'm not sure how I feel about it exactly because part of me likes the feel and look of Sky and also the non ante format to be honest because I feel like I adjust to it better than a lot of players who use the same sizes and play the same ranges as they do in ante games - particularly opening too wide and for unnecessarily larger sizes and defending too wide from the blinds particularly against those bigger sizes. The lack of customisation does frustrate me at times but that's mainly because I'm terrible at mental arithmetic and sometimes timeout preflop trying to calculate exactly how many chips I need to make my raise from the SB vs a limp, a 3x ISO and a cold call... obviously don't encounter those same problems on other sites. Another aspect which separates Sky Poker from the rest is how fast it is with 6 handed games and a very limited timebank meaning games have a very nice flow with a lot of action but that also makes it difficult to add too many Sky tables to a session...
That said, it seems more realistic at this stage to try and encourage changes/tweaks to the scheduling and structure of tournaments rather than still hoping for major overhauls/upgrades of the software which will undoubtedly divide opinion anyway. I'm with you on the appeal of mystery bounty tournaments these days although I dislike them myself and don't touch them.
Do you think that the fact that the Tuesday Mini is so popular could be down to having a Starting Stack of 10,000 chips ?
...and though I don't play it 'coz I'm out on a Saturday Night, doesn't the Saturday Sharpshooter Mini have more starting chips too?
I know the Tuesday Gold Rush Mini Turbo structure is faster, but certainly for myself, it's nice to think that you've lots of chips to keep on playing, when you've made the inevitable mistake
I'd be up for the 7.30pm earlier start, and a mixture of 7mins and 10 mins Blinds on alternate nights, but a starting stack of 5.000 chips (especially in a Speed Mini at 8.30pm ....love that idea @Essexphil )
I possibly shouldn't be putting my 2penneth in 'coz I very rarely play Bounty Hunters, but one I do normally try and qualify for through the Sat's, is the Gold Rush on a Tuesday, and sometimes play the Tuesday Mini if I Fail To Qualify, just because of the increased amount of starting chips, and I'm sure there are many more players who think like me too.
For me? More BH the better! I like the fact that even if you don't min cash, there's the opportunity to be rewarded with bounties......I rarely try to qualifying for the Sunday main ....yawn...hours and hours and only 20 or so cash
And yes, the idea of a Mystery BH ? Even better
GL in this one to all who play in Brighton( as it doesn't look like I'm gonna qualify...waaaargh!)
Do you think that the fact that the Tuesday Mini is so popular could be down to having a Starting Stack of 10,000 chips ?
...and though I don't play it 'coz I'm out on a Saturday Night, doesn't the Saturday Sharpshooter Mini have more starting chips too?
I know the Tuesday Gold Rush Mini Turbo structure is faster, but certainly for myself, it's nice to think that you've lots of chips to keep on playing, when you've made the inevitable mistake
I'd be up for the 7.30pm earlier start, and a mixture of 7mins and 10 mins Blinds on alternate nights, but a starting stack of 5.000 chips (especially in a Speed Mini at 8.30pm ....love that idea @Essexphil )
I possibly shouldn't be putting my 2penneth in 'coz I very rarely play Bounty Hunters, but one I do normally try and qualify for through the Sat's, is the Gold Rush on a Tuesday, and sometimes play the Tuesday Mini if I Fail To Qualify, just because of the increased amount of starting chips, and I'm sure there are many more players who think like me too.
Agree totally recs love a deepstack its the thought (often misplaced) that more chips means more bang for your buck and more play. I play live at the Maybury Edinburgh and the two busiest games are Mon 50k chips and wed 100k chips funnily enough there are only marginally less re-entries on those nights.
Move all minis from the 20:30 start time to a 19:30 start time but leave the existing blind structures as they are (no need for rebranding)
There is a £5 rebuy BH in that very same format every night at 1910. Blinds are 7 mins instead of the Friday 10 (I think) Not sure there’s room for 2 of these every night? Unless the 1910 moves to 2030 and is replaced by the mini? Just thoughts…
I've quickly read through the replies on the other thread and this one.
For me personally, I agree that some tweaking is required to possibly reverse the slow decline.
I strongly believe that most players are drawn towards tournaments with fancy titles, ie headline games, that naturally have bigger guarantees. So the idea of having two Minis (fancy titles/headline) really appeals to me. It should also appeal to both types of players discussed in the threads (turbo loving-earlier finishing / deeper structured).
There is already a £5 19:30 game that I believe replaced a £22 game. The difference with this specific game is it starts with 3000 chips, rather than the usual 2000 in most other regular BH games.
It could be a natural change to rebrand that game as a 'regular/deeper' Mini, as it is already slightly deeper stacked, and then have a 'turbo' version of the mini at 20:30.
As for the rebuy element, because of work commitments I very rarely play the Friday Mini, so really can't comment very much from my experience with that. However, I do like bigger guarantees and the potential for a bigger win. Isn't that the idea of the flagship nightly game, to give the small-time players a chance at a big(gish) win? It's literally the only chance they have on Sky at the moment, without taking shots at higher buyins.
Potentially, as mentioned previously, an optional one re-entry format could be a sort of happy medium, for some of the mini events.
I don't often play the Main events, so I will leave that discussion for others who do. I would say though, a restructure to the FTJ to incorporate the additional Mini if it comes to fruition, would be welcomed.
It's certainly impossible to please everyone all of the time, but I think trying to please as many as possible is the aim.
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FTR, the 6.30BH used to be £1k GTD. However, as already stated elsewhere, some players might not be able to start their evening poker scheudule till 8/830 due to (for example) work commitments/Family life. HOWEVER, I pretty much fully agree with all your points made in this paragraph.
I am still personally against making all the Minis rebuy/add on tournaments. BUT, I now realise that some tweaking may be needed to enhance these games for the benifit of Sky Poker and/or the players.
Cheers, Alan.
...and though I don't play it 'coz I'm out on a Saturday Night, doesn't the Saturday Sharpshooter Mini have more starting chips too?
I know the Tuesday Gold Rush Mini Turbo structure is faster, but certainly for myself, it's nice to think that you've lots of chips to keep on playing, when you've made the inevitable mistake
I'd be up for the 7.30pm earlier start, and a mixture of 7mins and 10 mins Blinds on alternate nights, but a starting stack of 5.000 chips (especially in a Speed Mini at 8.30pm ....love that idea @Essexphil )
I possibly shouldn't be putting my 2penneth in 'coz I very rarely play Bounty Hunters, but one I do normally try and qualify for through the Sat's, is the Gold Rush on a Tuesday, and sometimes play the Tuesday Mini if I Fail To Qualify, just because of the increased amount of starting chips, and I'm sure there are many more players who think like me too.
I know we already have the main event at 8pm but when you look at other poker sites they always have the main and mini feature events beginning at the same time.
The idea of having them both at the same time is that you've got both the main event itself drawing in all the regs and any recs who can afford to play in, then those who can't afford to play the main event but want to play an event get the chance to play a smaller buy in of the same sort right away.
As much as we are suggesting things like this I highly doubt it will do much to draw the crowd in.
regs- If you wanted to draw more regs into sky then surely it's best to allow customizable bet size buttons and an ante style format. I suggested doing UKOPS to number a of players and a number of them feel put off by not being able to change chips to bb, customize bet size buttons others laugh there head off when told about non antes format.
recs-if you want to draw more recs, it might be time to create a mystery bounty MTT. Mystery bounties have become so popular recently and so many sites do them now, sites know recs are what they want and the thought of getting lucky and winning a big prize without even coming 1st feels massive to a rec so they love to play mystery bounties
I think we have all come to accept that the software and non ante format isn't going anywhere at this point. I'm not sure how I feel about it exactly because part of me likes the feel and look of Sky and also the non ante format to be honest because I feel like I adjust to it better than a lot of players who use the same sizes and play the same ranges as they do in ante games - particularly opening too wide and for unnecessarily larger sizes and defending too wide from the blinds particularly against those bigger sizes. The lack of customisation does frustrate me at times but that's mainly because I'm terrible at mental arithmetic and sometimes timeout preflop trying to calculate exactly how many chips I need to make my raise from the SB vs a limp, a 3x ISO and a cold call... obviously don't encounter those same problems on other sites. Another aspect which separates Sky Poker from the rest is how fast it is with 6 handed games and a very limited timebank meaning games have a very nice flow with a lot of action but that also makes it difficult to add too many Sky tables to a session...
That said, it seems more realistic at this stage to try and encourage changes/tweaks to the scheduling and structure of tournaments rather than still hoping for major overhauls/upgrades of the software which will undoubtedly divide opinion anyway.
I'm with you on the appeal of mystery bounty tournaments these days although I dislike them myself and don't touch them.
And yes, the idea of a Mystery BH ? Even better
GL in this one to all who play in Brighton( as it doesn't look like I'm gonna qualify...waaaargh!)
I play live at the Maybury Edinburgh and the two busiest games are Mon 50k chips and wed 100k chips funnily enough there are only marginally less re-entries on those nights.
Blinds are 7 mins instead of the Friday 10 (I think)
Not sure there’s room for 2 of these every night?
Unless the 1910 moves to 2030 and is replaced by the mini?
Just thoughts…
For me personally, I agree that some tweaking is required to possibly reverse the slow decline.
I strongly believe that most players are drawn towards tournaments with fancy titles, ie headline games, that naturally have bigger guarantees. So the idea of having two Minis (fancy titles/headline) really appeals to me. It should also appeal to both types of players discussed in the threads (turbo loving-earlier finishing / deeper structured).
There is already a £5 19:30 game that I believe replaced a £22 game. The difference with this specific game is it starts with 3000 chips, rather than the usual 2000 in most other regular BH games.
It could be a natural change to rebrand that game as a 'regular/deeper' Mini, as it is already slightly deeper stacked, and then have a 'turbo' version of the mini at 20:30.
As for the rebuy element, because of work commitments I very rarely play the Friday Mini, so really can't comment very much from my experience with that. However, I do like bigger guarantees and the potential for a bigger win. Isn't that the idea of the flagship nightly game, to give the small-time players a chance at a big(gish) win? It's literally the only chance they have on Sky at the moment, without taking shots at higher buyins.
Potentially, as mentioned previously, an optional one re-entry format could be a sort of happy medium, for some of the mini events.
I don't often play the Main events, so I will leave that discussion for others who do. I would say though, a restructure to the FTJ to incorporate the additional Mini if it comes to fruition, would be welcomed.
It's certainly impossible to please everyone all of the time, but I think trying to please as many as possible is the aim.