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Viewers react with fury to Channel 4 Dispatches show exposing Britain's 'welfare trap' and hit out

HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,442
edited December 5 in The Rail
Revealed: Britain’s worklessness capital where more than half of adults claim benefits








Britain’s worklessness capital has been revealed as central Grimsby after it emerged that more than half of its working-age population claims out-of-work benefits.

Analysis compiled for an upcoming Channel 4 documentary presented by Fraser Nelson, the Telegraph columnist, found that 53 per cent of people in the East Marsh and Port area of the Lincolnshire seaside town were on welfare in the first quarter of this year.

No fewer than 33 per cent of residents claim sickness benefits, 11 per cent are on jobseekers’ allowance and nine per cent receive other benefits.

Life expectancy in the area, where more than half of residents live in social housing, is just 70 years of age, 12 years below the national average.

Other benefits hotspots revealed by the analysis include central Blackpool, where 51 per cent are on out-of-work benefits, central Birkenhead, where the figure is 47 per cent, and the north of Drumchapel, in Glasgow, where it stands at 46 per cent.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/revealed-britain-worklessness-capital-where-144340548.html
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,442
    edited November 30
    Claim suicidal thoughts for benefits: job centre staff show extent of UK’s worklessness crisis




    Benefits assessors have blown the whistle on major holes in the welfare system helping to fuel Britain’s worklessness crisis.

    Benefit department staff have said that dishonest claimants for sickness benefits exploit the assessment system by using key phrases and claims of suicidal thoughts.

    The whistleblowers spoke out in a Channel 4 Dispatches documentary presented by journalist Fraser Nelson, claiming the system financially rewards assessors if they wave through cases without proper consideration.

    It comes as the number of people in the UK classified as having a long-term illness reached 2.8 million, the highest level on record. The government has been warned that on current trends the welfare bill is set to hit £100 billion by 2030, according to forecasting by the independent Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR).


    Since 2010, the approval rate for sickness benefit claims has doubled to 80 per cent.


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/claim-suicidal-thoughts-benefits-job-154055714.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,442
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,442
    How many people claim sickness benefits?
    Long-term sickness is a major reason for a growing number of people in the UK without jobs, with the government strategising on how to get people back into work.



    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sickness-benefits-payment-pip-174736978.html
  • rabdenirorabdeniro Member Posts: 4,459
    So does that mean the sickness benefit is too high or the minimum wage is too low ?.
    A lot of people will always try to beat the system, but there are a lot of people who ( try ) to live on benefits who are well below the poverty line.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,442
    rabdeniro said:

    So does that mean the sickness benefit is too high or the minimum wage is too low ?.
    A lot of people will always try to beat the system, but there are a lot of people who ( try ) to live on benefits who are well below the poverty line.

    I dont suppose that really matters.
    The experts are apparently suggesting that if current trends continue benefits will be unaffordable in the not too distant future.
    I dont know what happens then.
    There is a limit to how much you can tax working people, and we surely cant be far off that level now.
    Encouraging those that are able to work, to do so, seems like an obvious solution.
    That will create a double whammy.
    A smaller benefits bill, and more tax receipts.
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,563
    The latest figures I could find suggested that 43% of all adults don't pay any income tax (23 million), whilst 31 million (57%) do. So the 57% are paying for everybody. Those figures are nearly 4/5 years out of date though. As has been shown that simply wasn't/isn't sustainable.
  • rabdenirorabdeniro Member Posts: 4,459
    All sounds honky dory but where are these jobs ?.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,442
    rabdeniro said:

    All sounds honky dory but where are these jobs ?.

    I havent a clue.
    I havent looked for one for a long time.


    Which sectors are on the shortage list?
    The immigration salary list sets out the occupations that are in short supply.

    The list is part of the UK’s immigration rules and is used to make it easier for employers to sponsor skilled non-UK workers under the skilled worker visa.

    Managers and proprietors in forestry, fishing and related services – only “fishing boat masters”
    Chemical scientists – only jobs in the nuclear industry
    Biological scientists – all jobs
    Social and humanities scientists – only archaeologists
    Graphic and multimedia designers – all jobs
    Laboratory technicians – only jobs requiring 3 or more years’ related on-the-job experience. This experience must not have been gained through working illegally.
    Pharmaceutical technicians – all jobs
    Artists – all jobs
    Dancers and choreographers – only skilled classical ballet dancers or skilled contemporary dancers who meet the standard required by internationally recognised UK ballet or contemporary dance companies. The company must be endorsed as being internationally recognised by a UK industry body such as the Arts Councils (of England, Scotland or Wales).
    Musicians – only skilled orchestral musicians who are leaders, principals, sub-principals or numbered string positions, and who meet the standard required by internationally recognised UK orchestras. The orchestra must be a full member of the Association of British Orchestras.
    Arts officers, producers and directors – all jobs
    Agriculture and fishing trades not elsewhere classified – only jobs in the fishing industry
    Welding trades – only high integrity pipe welders, where the job requires 3 or more years’ related on-the-job experience. This experience must not have been gained through working illegally.
    Boat and ship builders and repairers – all jobs
    Stonemasons and related trades – all jobs
    Bricklayers – all jobs
    Roofers, roof tilers and slaters – all jobs
    Carpenters and joiners – all jobs
    Construction and building trades not elsewhere classified – only retrofitters
    Care workers and home carers – all jobs, except jobs with a working location in England are only eligible in this SOC 2020 occupation code where the sponsor holds registration with the Care Quality Commission and is currently carrying on a regulated activity. Private households or individuals (other than sole traders sponsoring someone to work for their business) cannot sponsor Skilled Worker applicants.
    Senior care workers – all jobs, except jobs with a working location in England are only eligible in this SOC 2020 occupation code where the sponsor holds registration with the Care Quality Commission and is currently carrying on a regulated activity.
    Animal care services occupations not elsewhere classified – only racing grooms, stallion handlers, stud grooms, stud hands, stud handlers and work riders
    Fishing and other elementary agriculture occupations not elsewhere classified – only deckhands on large fishing vessels (9 metres and above) where the job requires the worker to have at least 3 years’ full-time experience in using their skills. This experience must not have been gained through working illegally.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/jobs-shortages-list-immigration-visa-sector-skills-workers-b1174975.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,442
    Job vacancies soar as skills shortage bites


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57349802
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,442
    UK unfilled vacancies hit record as workers leave labour market





    Pressure on the UK’s labour market increased over the winter, with official data showing the number of unfilled jobs rose to a record of more than 1.3mn as wages fell in real terms and people continued to leave the workforce.

    https://www.ft.com/content/60a79b3e-5d94-400c-84c5-a8b812619e2f
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,442
    NHS vacancies in England rise to new record high
    NHS Digital figures show there were 133,446 full-time equivalent vacancies at the end of September



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/nhs-job-vacancies-record-high-b2236960.html#:~:text=There were 133,446 FTE vacancies across the health,June, according to new figures from NHS Digital.
  • rabdenirorabdeniro Member Posts: 4,459
    The thing is if somebody has had a long term illness and applies for a job the employer is going to look at their work record and put the application straight to the bottom of the pile.

    A quick Look at that list and care workers is the only jobs around here that you could get quite easily and to be honest it wouldn't be high on ma list.

    The Gov should change the tax avoidance laws and that would put a few quid in to the coffers instead of hounding folk who are unwell or not fit for work.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,442
    rabdeniro said:

    The thing is if somebody has had a long term illness and applies for a job the employer is going to look at their work record and put the application straight to the bottom of the pile.

    A quick Look at that list and care workers is the only jobs around here that you could get quite easily and to be honest it wouldn't be high on ma list.

    The Gov should change the tax avoidance laws and that would put a few quid in to the coffers instead of hounding folk who are unwell or not fit for work.

    I suppose that would assume that all the people that say they are unfit for work really arent, and that nobody doesnt want to work.
    Both of which must be untrue.
    Although I wouldnt have a clue about the extent.
    I appreciate that some people are unable to work, and that others are caring for a family member, but even when I was growing up there were families that hadnt had a job between them for 3 generations.
  • rabdenirorabdeniro Member Posts: 4,459
    Yeh there are people in ma town from the same families who hang about the toon centre and have been doing so for the last fifty years, never worked, they never get pulled in by the job centre, same in every toon.
    Some get away with it some don't.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,442
    rabdeniro said:

    Yeh there are people in ma town from the same families who hang about the toon centre and have been doing so for the last fifty years, never worked, they never get pulled in by the job centre, same in every toon.
    Some get away with it some don't.

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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,442
    rabdeniro said:

    Yeh there are people in ma town from the same families who hang about the toon centre and have been doing so for the last fifty years, never worked, they never get pulled in by the job centre, same in every toon.
    Some get away with it some don't.

    Viewers react with fury to Channel 4 Dispatches show exposing Britain's 'welfare trap' and hit out at the 'broken' benefits system


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14152395/Viewers-fury-Channel-4-Britains-welfare-benefits-system.html

    Unemployed single mother caught in Britain's 'welfare trap' admits she's too scared to find a job - and lose her sickness benefits - in new Channel 4 Dispatches



    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14148829/channel-4-dispatches-Britain-welfare-trap-single-mother-job-real-reason.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,442
    HAYSIE said:

    rabdeniro said:

    Yeh there are people in ma town from the same families who hang about the toon centre and have been doing so for the last fifty years, never worked, they never get pulled in by the job centre, same in every toon.
    Some get away with it some don't.

    Viewers react with fury to Channel 4 Dispatches show exposing Britain's 'welfare trap' and hit out at the 'broken' benefits system


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14152395/Viewers-fury-Channel-4-Britains-welfare-benefits-system.html

    Unemployed single mother caught in Britain's 'welfare trap' admits she's too scared to find a job - and lose her sickness benefits - in new Channel 4 Dispatches



    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14148829/channel-4-dispatches-Britain-welfare-trap-single-mother-job-real-reason.html
    Good report.
    Sh1t system.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,442
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    rabdeniro said:

    Yeh there are people in ma town from the same families who hang about the toon centre and have been doing so for the last fifty years, never worked, they never get pulled in by the job centre, same in every toon.
    Some get away with it some don't.

    Viewers react with fury to Channel 4 Dispatches show exposing Britain's 'welfare trap' and hit out at the 'broken' benefits system


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14152395/Viewers-fury-Channel-4-Britains-welfare-benefits-system.html

    Unemployed single mother caught in Britain's 'welfare trap' admits she's too scared to find a job - and lose her sickness benefits - in new Channel 4 Dispatches



    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14148829/channel-4-dispatches-Britain-welfare-trap-single-mother-job-real-reason.html
    Good report.
    Sh1t system.
    Its a must watch.
    Its on the documentary thread.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 170,984
    edited December 6

    Benefit scroungers are a cancer on our society. @Enut wrote;

    "The latest figures I could find suggested that 43% of all adults don't pay any income tax (23 million), whilst 31 million (57%) do. So the 57% are paying for everybody."

    How can that be acceptable?

    I could name any number of poker players who are on long-term sick & unemployment benefits, but manage to play online every night - then have the gall to claim they are "unlucky" because they lose a hand or two of poker.

    Half a century ago, there was a stigma attached to benefit fraud, but nobody seems bothered these days.
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,563
    A few years ago we had a distinctly unpleasant member at a local tennis club. He would play tennis virtually every day despite being signed off work sick due to a bad back. One of the other members worked at the benefits department so pulled him aside one day and told him he couldn't keep claiming to have a bad back but keep playing tennis. So he didn't, he stopped claiming for a bad back and started claiming for stress. He was a builder, he claimed having deadlines for finishing a job were too stressful.

    He also bragged that he had never paid a penny in tax his whole life (at this point he was in his 50s).

    For some unfathomable reason the committee gave him a bar key so he could be behind the bar one day a week when the local doctors played tennis and stayed for a drink afterwards, I found it amazing how much Stella the doctors drank on those evenings as, to the best of my knowledge, none of them drunk Stella.

    As far as I'm aware he was caught drink driving twice, he thought this was unfair as he was 'a better driver drunk than most people are sober'!

    He is no longer a member as, somehow, he got the impression that no one like him up there (quelle surprise). He joined another club and was caught 'relocating' a case of Stella into the back of his car, of course he was 'just going back in to pay for it'!

    I'm sure we all have similar examples of the sort of low life that abuse the system and have absolutely no regrets about doing so.
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