is this straight good to fold

mcglynn07

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
FATCONTROL	Small blind		20.00	20.00	4341.25
mcglynn07	Big blind		40.00	60.00	2745.00
	Your hole cards	7 9
Cammykaze	Fold
jacks-n-5s	Call		40.00	100.00	3560.00
2831	Call		40.00	140.00	1860.00
Yid1	Call		40.00	180.00	1895.00
FATCONTROL	Fold
mcglynn07	Check
Flop
		6 5 8
mcglynn07	Check
jacks-n-5s	Bet		180.00	360.00	3380.00
2831	Fold
Yid1	Call		180.00	540.00	1715.00
mcglynn07	Raise		400.00	940.00	2345.00
jacks-n-5s	Fold
Yid1	Call		220.00	1160.00	1495.00
Turn
		3
mcglynn07	Bet		580.00	1740.00	1765.00
Yid1	Call		580.00	2320.00	915.00
River
		9
mcglynn07	All-in		1765.00	4085.00	0.00
Yid1	All-in		915.00	5000.00	0.00
mcglynn07	Unmatched bet		850.00	4150.00	850.00
mcglynn07	Show	7 9
Yid1	Show	10 3
Yid1	Win	Flush to the 10	4150.00		4150.00

mcglynn07

with this hand i though about squeezing pre but not to raise fold. Flopping a straight i know my equity good now but lots can change. I tried to play it like a set but should of folded the river. A leak for me here with frustration bet. But I then think should I be raising at any point ? As button is type to keep calling regardless or should I have shoved the turn or gone for passive lines denying myself equity? Just a littlo eunsure how I should be thinking here?

Essexphil

I think you need to concentrate on bet sizing.

As played, you had correct odds to bet, even on that evil winner. You were getting big odds-4/1 ish.

IMO, you are looking at this from the wrong direction. If the villain is on the hand on that River and those bets, he gets the double up. Whereas, if he didn't, he has enough behind to get away from the hand

So the key is bet sizing. To do 1 of 3 things:-

1. To drive him out; or
2. To ensure he is pot committed on the flop or turn (or at least has put more chips in); or
3. To bet smaller, so you can get away from an evil River

A lot boils down to personal choice. My style is 2, followed by 1. Not a fan of 3.

But (and I know it is easy with hindsight) your bet sizing was not optimal. It is not that, as it turns out, you lost. It is that, had you won the hand, you would not have won as much as you should

A bet of 500 on the flop and 800 on the turn would gain you a lot of chips over time in that spot

stokefc

Am a low stakes player i know i'm not good enough to play higher consistently and this is probably why
Here's my take
After having a free flop and hitting massively but seeing the two clubs i'da bet , pretty big , probably pot (leak)and not c/r
once called , more than likely another pot bet or even all in with your stack on the turn
Low stakes people love calling down flush draws so i'm trying to take it down on the turn
River =world of pain and i'm on to the next tourney

Asho28

Personally I would consider leading out here. 4-way on a dynamic board, want to be getting money in quickly with the flopped nuts.

As played, agree with @Essexphil . Definitely check-raise bigger on flop with intention of trying to get it in on turn.

Probably going to struggle to fold river unless very specific notes on villain.

mcglynn07

Thanks for the advice Stokefc asho28 and EssexPhil , i think now the bigger get size of xraising bigger flop and shoving turn is defo viable of letting villain make mistake of not having correct odds to draw on river as i let him get there cheaply. Also could do the 500 fl and 800 turn and still have 30bb on river and fold to a club. Also thinking of leading flop and bet shoving safe turns is also worth thinking of in future on to the next one thinking bigger bet sizes also something to work on for me Phil
GL at the tables

Essexphil

mcglynn07 said:

Thanks for the advice Stokefc asho28 and EssexPhil , i think now the bigger get size of xraising bigger flop and shoving turn is defo viable of letting villain make mistake of not having correct odds to draw on river as i let him get there cheaply. Also could do the 500 fl and 800 turn and still have 30bb on river and fold to a club. Also thinking of leading flop and bet shoving safe turns is also worth thinking of in future on to the next one thinking bigger bet sizes also something to work on for me Phil
GL at the tables

Agree with almost all of that. I've put the 1 bit where I didn't in bold. On that scenario you would never fold the river. Simply because the villain would only have buttons left at that stage.

There is always a fine line between not betting enough and letting people in, and betting too much and scaring people off, as opposed to winning enough uncontested chips.

Good hand to look at all of that.

hungup

facing a check raise and a healthy turn bet, I'd have folded my flu draw on that turn!

horrible river thou, given not just that the flush came in but also your str got degraded too a one card str!

did you push on the river? or did you check too the Villain and then the Villain pushed?

i ask cause it says on the screen you had an unmatched bet off 850!

if you did check - its a close one! I think the Villain may have a big enough jam on the river (just by about maybe 200) for you too walk away!

but I don't know what else the Villain could have, two pair and trips if they don't go all in on the turn! are gonna check that river!

the Villain really with his size off stack should have put you all in on the turn!