CAN YA???

DOHHHHHHH

...Trust your instincts enough to fold this hand........

Been at the table 15 minutes, trebbled up 2 hands before, I thought I was running sick on this flop.....but you just know you're losin, but can't help but call....coz u have such a good hand!!!!

Its not like "oh he cant fold his aces" - Such a super strong hand.....Anyone believe in their reads enough to fold this kinda hand??? - Again maybe like the KK v AA pre flop thing.

Can anyone post a huge fold that they got right? - probably have to be a 3 way pot to be able to know if its right or wrong......I wish I'd folded! lol

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
victorrezz	Sit out
Dobzy_178	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£79.99
xxx	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£49.50
	Your hole cards	10 J
toonboymc	Fold
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		£2.00	£2.75	£138.02
Dobzy_178	Call		£1.75	£4.50	£78.24
xxx	Call		£1.50	£6.00	£48.00
Flop
		Q J J
Dobzy_178	Check
xxx	Check
DOHHHHHHH	Bet		£4.50	£10.50	£133.52
Dobzy_178	Fold
xxx	Raise		£12.00	£22.50	£36.00
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£7.50	£30.00	£126.02
Turn
		3
xxx	Bet		£15.00	£45.00	£21.00
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£15.00	£60.00	£111.02
River
		A
xxx	All-in		£21.00	£81.00	£0.00
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£21.00	£102.00	£90.02
xxx	Show	K J
DOHHHHHHH	Show	10 J
xxx	Win	Three Jacks	£100.20		£100.20

pod1

i think tikay showed a very similar hand on the club last night. like he said you gotta call in that situation. horrible feeling you know you are going to lose it, but like he said, if you start folding hands like that, where do you draw the line!!

dav1964

Nobody folds here it is just one **** of a cooler lol dav

DOHHHHHHH

Cn the best in the world pass here? - if he can, Its possible, so I wanna be able to do it !!!

I hear people say "wait for better spots" - but U cant flop set over set everytime u wanna win a big pot?????

loza666

i folded this hand, altho maybe its easier as it was omaha so it might not count, i put him on AJ after the turn, just my read from the time he took etc, therefore i told myself i gota get out the way here, punishment for slowplaying i guess!:

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
SHANKS474	Small blind		25.00	25.00	2137.50
Collibosh	Big blind		50.00	75.00	1930.00
	Your hole cards	Q 9 2 A
SHY-BOY	Call		50.00	125.00	4420.00
loza666	Call		50.00	175.00	3525.00
BIGROG	Call		50.00	225.00	1762.50
SHANKS474	Call		25.00	250.00	2112.50
Collibosh	Check
Flop
		2 A 2
SHANKS474	Check
Collibosh	Check
SHY-BOY	Check
loza666	Check
BIGROG	Check
Turn
		J
SHANKS474	Check
Collibosh	Check
SHY-BOY	Check
loza666	Bet		100.00	350.00	3425.00
BIGROG	Call		100.00	450.00	1662.50
SHANKS474	Fold
Collibosh	Fold
SHY-BOY	Fold
River
		J
loza666	Bet		150.00	600.00	3275.00
BIGROG	Raise		900.00	1500.00	762.50
loza666	Fold
BIGROG	Muck
BIGROG	Win		1500.00		2262.50

DOHHHHHHH

ahhhhh lozza I have no idea how good/bad that fold is, absolutely clueless when it comes to omaha.....

Any hold em ones?

I think everyone in hold em, convinces themselves their hand is "too good to fold"

Likewise, people convince themselves their hand "isn't good enough to make the call on the river"

Surely, if its the 2nd best hand its the right fold, no matter how good it is????

........That has to be what seperates the good from the brilliant....?

loza666

In Response to Re: CAN YA???:

ahhhhh lozza I have no idea how good/bad that fold is, absolutely clueless when it comes to omaha..... Any hold em ones? I think everyone in hold em, convinces themselves their hand is "too good to fold" Likewise, people convince themselves their hand "isn't good enough to make the call on the river" Surely, if its the 2nd best hand its the right fold, no matter how good it is???? ........That has to be what seperates the good from the brilliant....?
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

yeh everyonetgio makes a crying call even when knowing they're beat, on ur hand, u have to call, it would be wrong to fold on any street there i guess, even if u put im on K10diamonds or monster draw like that, u still have the odds to make the call so u cant do anything there, ill ty fetch out any hold em hands, but i think i have the same problem as u so i probably wont find any! lol

scrumdown

ul dohhhh happend to me last week qj suited flop q 10 j  turn jack river was king he had kj nowt u can dom8 in long run hands like that will win more then they lose

donkeyplop

In Response to Re: CAN YA???:

Cn the best in the world pass here? - if he can, Its possible, so I wanna be able to do it !!! I hear people say "wait for better spots" - but U cant flop set over set everytime u wanna win a big pot?????
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

i watched phil helmuth fold his  flush when he put tom dwan on a full house!

that was some fold he made!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFvu4tMCNFY

emilyegg

Very Good Thread Dohhhhhhh............it would be great to hear about anymore "Brilliant Folds", like people say when you "just know"

penguin7

Not sure if I like calling his reraise after flop. I would find it tough to put him on AA or KK with no preflop reraise against two opponents. Think you have to put him on a jack or an aggressive draw. Hard to find the 3bet to find out though. The blank on the turn just gets you deeper, but the allin after the Ace on the river means you could be losing to K10 as well as a better Jack. Really a crying call as you are only beating a busted flush.

But as you know Im useless at cash anyway ! !

DOHHHHHHH

Love the link donkeyplop...seen it before but never get tired of watching that!!

Also the commentary, Devilfish is saying its an easy fold....maybe these top class guys can do it!....

What I will add tho is it's a tourny, and Ive watched hours and hours of the high stakes cash games, and seen Phil Hellmuth fold the best hand so many times.....I guess trying to set up the huge pot....

But yeah that was a good fold, on a paired board tho, It always makes it easier......

DOHHHHHHH

AQ penguin I guess is the only hand I could beat.....

If you found urself in this position, in the first level of a deepstacked tourny, say the DANTB thing the other night, how would you play it? - Where would you get away? - Where would you get more money in for value, if at all??,

- Would you be raising TJ s pre flop first level? (if not, still answer above anyway

Eagle26

I would like to think i could fold it mate but to be honest i dont think i could! im sure the best players in the world would be able to find the fold button when they find themselves in the same situation but are playing for £1,000's per hand, but at the stakes im losin £50 quid ere and i think most people are! ...
i had a similar hand ages ago on nl100 i was holdin AJ suited raised it up to £4 and got 2 callers, flop was J J 7 i cant remember exactly how i played the hand but i can remember i ended up losin around £200 odd quid because one of the callers held pocket 77's! and i can remember thinkin at the time that i should have been able to find the fold button, and i probably should have! but these hands are so difficult to put down!! anyone who comes on this thread and says they can lay this hand down for £50 is talkin out there **** imo! so dont worry about it geeza! ul with the hand anyway mate but ur still 50quid up and im sure u will be addin a few hundreds on by the end of the night!  so stop moanin ;-)

offshoot

this bugged me for a while but i think it was the right fold...

Evcake06	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£40.51
v	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£81.04
	Your hole cards	Q K
BellaGTen	Raise		£2.00	£2.75	£61.78
PoshMan	Fold
offshoot	Call		£2.00	£4.75	£70.47
GUNAGE	Fold
Evcake06	Fold
v	Call		£1.50	£6.25	£79.54
Flop
		6 Q K
v	Check
BellaGTen	Bet		£2.00	£8.25	£59.78
offshoot	Call		£2.00	£10.25	£68.47
v	Raise		£10.50	£20.75	£69.04
BellaGTen	Fold
offshoot	Call		£8.50	£29.25	£59.97
Turn
		10
v	Bet		£17.00	£46.25	£52.04
offshoot	Fold
v	Muck
v	Win		£44.79		£96.83

penguin7

In Response to Re: CAN YA???:

AQ penguin I guess is the only hand I could beat..... If you found urself in this position, in the first level of a deepstacked tourny, say the DANTB thing the other night, how would you play it? - Where would you get away? - Where would you get more money in for value, if at all??, - Would you be raising TJ s pre flop first level? (if not, still answer above anyway
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Not sure if I would get away at all ! Early in a big tourny I generally fold J 10, but as they were suited I probably limp and look for a cheap flop, not wanting to pair either of them, but playing for straight or flush. With the set on the flop, I would have to bet potsize.

How I would react to the reraise would depend on who it was, there are many players I could find a fold against.

If it was someone I could see making that move with K10, diamonds, or AQ,I would still hate calling. Putting a 3bet in here is better value than calling turn and river, it minimises risk from draws, and gives me option of reassessing if he shoves.

Later in a tourny is different, it almost certainly would have been goodbye from me !

porkerman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27isG0Cf418

this was something very similiar to your hand dohhhh

Eagle26

what are u puttin V on in this hand offshoot? pocket 66's? coz to me that is one **** of a fold! i certainly couldnt lay that down! all my money would be in on the flop ere! im no where near qualified to say anything to u offshoot as your a far better player than i am! but surely this is too nitty???

scrumdown

that was some fold porkerman for 1 min may be he is going to call

DOHHHHHHH

He's superhuman, dunno how old he/she is - but will be on the tele within a few yrs IMO!

Just watched ur link porkerman, bet you couldnt make that fold on the freeplay tables!!! Dunkies or no Dunkies!!! lol

I think the conclusion here is, there WAS a way off it!!!! - Thanx for the quick replies guys, like to hear more of ya views keep em coming!

OMahonyO

In Response to Re: CAN YA???:

this bugged me for a while but i think it was the right fold... Evcake06 Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £40.51 v Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £81.04   Your hole cards Q K       BellaGTen Raise   £2.00 £2.75 £61.78 PoshMan Fold         offshoot Call   £2.00 £4.75 £70.47 GUNAGE Fold         Evcake06 Fold         v Call   £1.50 £6.25 £79.54 Flop     6 Q K       v Check         BellaGTen Bet   £2.00 £8.25 £59.78 offshoot Call   £2.00 £10.25 £68.47 v Raise   £10.50 £20.75 £69.04 BellaGTen Fold         offshoot Call   £8.50 £29.25 £59.97 Turn     10       v Bet   £17.00 £46.25 £52.04 offshoot Fold         v Muck         v Win   £44.79   £96.83
Posted by offshoot

This is doing my head in.  How is this a fold.  You must have lots of history/reads here or I am a total donk and always will be.... I know you are one of the best on sky so what is your thought process here plz....