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this is why you should never bluff in omaha.

DozzaDozza Member Posts: 318
edited April 2010 in The Poker Clinic
UGLYN Small blind   10.00 10.00 3990.00
Oz248 Big blind   20.00 30.00 3980.00
  Your hole cards
  • 10
  • 10
  • 6
  • 5
     
gvb708 Raise   40.00 70.00 3960.00
IRISH31 Call   40.00 110.00 3960.00
alvarez03 Raise   60.00 170.00 3940.00
Dozza Raise   80.00 250.00 3920.00
UGLYN Call   70.00 320.00 3920.00
Oz248 Call   60.00 380.00 3920.00
gvb708 Call   40.00 420.00 3920.00
IRISH31 Call   40.00 460.00 3920.00
alvarez03 Raise   40.00 500.00 3900.00
Dozza Raise   40.00 540.00 3880.00
UGLYN Call   40.00 580.00 3880.00
Oz248 Call   40.00 620.00 3880.00
gvb708 Call   40.00 660.00 3880.00
IRISH31 Call   40.00 700.00 3880.00
alvarez03 Raise   560.00 1260.00 3340.00
Dozza Call   540.00 1800.00 3340.00
UGLYN Fold        
Oz248 Call   540.00 2340.00 3340.00
gvb708 Fold        
IRISH31 Call   540.00 2880.00 3340.00
Flop
   
  • 9
  • 3
  • K
     
Oz248 Check        
IRISH31 Check        
alvarez03 Check        
Dozza Check        
Turn
   
  • 9
     
Oz248 Check        
IRISH31 Check        
alvarez03 Check        
Dozza Check        
River
   
  • 9
     
Oz248 Bet   220.00 3100.00 3120.00
IRISH31 Call   220.00 3320.00 3120.00
alvarez03 Call   220.00 3540.00 3120.00
Dozza All-in   3340.00 6880.00 0.00
Oz248 Fold        
IRISH31 Fold        
alvarez03 All-in   3120.00 10000.00 0.00
alvarez03 Show
  • A
  • 2
  • A
  • 8
     
Dozza Show
  • 10
  • 10
  • 6
  • 5
     
alvarez03 Win Full House, 9s and Aces 10000.00   10000.00

Comments

  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited April 2010
      I think the problem in this hand is not the bluff but the decision you made early on. Preflop you had a marginal to weak hand and instead of folding or trying to get in cheap you put in a very weak 3-bet.You then called a 4-bet when you should also have folded. The pot was then so juicy that you felt compelled to bluff at it. Bluffing in omaha is never really a good idea but this hand is not really about that it is more about the overplaying of really bad hands and getting yourself into trouble because of it. Your opponent had a reasonably good hand that he was overplaying as well. These are common mistakes made by newcomers to the game. There is no hand so good as to be 3 or 4 betting preflop. The hands are defined from the flop onwards so my advice is if you are going to play these marginal hands then get to the flop cheaply and reassess then.
  • NorbitNorbit Member Posts: 490
    edited April 2010
    lol at all the pre flop raising!
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,025
    edited April 2010

    That Post by Talon, especially the last three sentences, contains some of the best Omaha advice you will ever see.

    This is NOT Texas, Omaha is a completely different game, & pre-flop shennanigans won't work. See the Flop, then re-assess. And remember, you will catch  bit of most Flops. And so will your oppo. If you must bluff, wait until the Turn or River.
  • DozzaDozza Member Posts: 318
    edited April 2010
    i had a pair and was double-suited. it looked like a nice starting hand at the time.
  • DozzaDozza Member Posts: 318
    edited April 2010
    thanks for the post Talon, i take it all on board.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,025
    edited April 2010
    In Response to Re: this is why you should never bluff in omaha.:
    i had a pair and was double-suited. it looked like a nice starting hand at the time.
    Posted by Dozza
    Hi Dozza,

    It's certainly not a "good" starting hand, but if you are in the Blinds, yes, worth a look.

    You have, really, 4 "potential" hands there, but not any real "nut draws".

    1) A set of 10's. But that's  2 outer. (One pair is NEVER any good).

    2 & 3) The 2 flush draws. But if it's multiway, & the pot gets big, do you really fancy calling down with either of those two flushes?

    4 ) The 6-5, a a straight draw - ONLY any good for the TOP end of a str8, so we need a 2-3-4 sorta flop. 

    It's not the worst starting hand I've ever seen, but it's really not one I'd to go to war with.
  • LlamamanLlamaman Member Posts: 15
    edited April 2010
    Looks like you accidently registered for the wrong tournament and was just messing about... i hope...
  • edited April 2010
    This ranks as possibly one of the worst played hands I have ever seen in any form of poker, and I have played high stake Telesina before!
  • DozzaDozza Member Posts: 318
    edited April 2010
    In Response to Re: this is why you should never bluff in omaha.:
    In Response to Re: this is why you should never bluff in omaha. : Hi Dozza, It's certainly not a "good" starting hand, but if you are in the Blinds, yes, worth a look. You have, really, 4 "potential" hands there, but not any real "nut draws". 1) A set of 10's. But that's  2 outer. (One pair is NEVER any good). 2 & 3) The 2 flush draws. But if it's multiway, & the pot gets big, do you really fancy calling down with either of those two flushes? 4 ) The 6-5, a a straight draw - ONLY any good for the TOP end of a str8, so we need a 2-3-4 sorta flop.  It's not the worst starting hand I've ever seen, but it's really not one I'd to go to war with.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Cheers Tikay, from now on i'm only playing hands which have the possibility of making the nuts down future streets. I'll give Omaha another go soon. :-)
  • BULLBULL Member Posts: 55
    edited April 2010
    In Response to Re: this is why you should never bluff in omaha.:
    That Post by Talon, especially the last three sentences, contains some of the best Omaha advice you will ever see. This is NOT Texas, Omaha is a completely different game, & pre-flop shennanigans won't work. See the Flop, then re-assess. And remember, you will catch  bit of most Flops. And so will your oppo. If you must bluff, wait until the Turn or River.
    Posted by Tikay10
    IM LOST FOR WORDS... its plain to see "omg" omaha ,dont yer just love it ;p
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