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THOSE POKER RULES YOU NEVER KNEW
burnanator
Member Posts: 67
When your playing live poker there are always debates that occur over the rules, please post those debates and what the correct rule is. I was playing recently were the best hand was ace high, with the ace being the high card on the board. The argument was that one player stated it was a split pot, and the other player pointed out that poker hands are made up by the best 5 cards....the argument went on for about 15 minutes....
You guys got any others
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A player raises on the flop...1 guy folds...the person who raises then turns his cards over to show but doesn't realise there is another player to act?
To my understanding the player can now only call bets/check on the turn and river, he cannot raise at all? Is this correct?
I'm afraid that, staggering as it may seem for such a big & money-based industry, Poker Rules are not "universal" in Live Poker yet, & they vary from Venue to Venue.
But most Venues use either the TDA Rules, or base their rules on "Robert's Rules of Poker", both of which can easily accessed via Mr Google.
However.......the wholly toothless & frustratingly incompetent Gaming Commission do "insist" (but don't impose) that all Licensed Venues display a copy of the Poker Rules in the Cardroom. So if the Rules are not on display, ask the Cardroom Manager to display them, & if he refuses, well, go somewhere else.
I play regularly in G-Luton, & the Rules there change from night to night! It's nothing short of ridiculous.
Gala Notts used to have a Rule in No Limit that you HAD to announce a Raise. So if you wanted to Raise All-In, & pushed your ENTIRE stack across the line, but said nothing, it went as a Call!
And here's a right corker, which is still in use in Grosvenor properties as far as I know.....
If you are next to act, & on the dwell, & the geezer BEHIND you, not realising you have cards, mucks his hand, then the next two players, in normal domino fashion, also both fold out of turn, MY hand is automatically void, & "killed" by the Dealer. So the innocent party - me - gets penalised - & the three guilty parties - who all mucked out of turn do not get penalised.
Go figure.
I've seen examples of both of those recently at DTD at Nottingham.
I had a floor manager over rule a dealer with me as I declared verbally and loud to the table 'Raise to 900' but made it in two movements (push out a stack of 500, then pick up a stack of 500 in 50's and remove 100 and placed next to the 500). The dealer declared I had strung bet, but my point was I can't string bet when I'd already declared the amount outloud. Fortunately the floor manager agreed with me and the raise stood.
Here is one I would like clarification on.
I was playing at DTD the other w/end with a few others from Sky poker and this situation arose.
In the hand before a player raised about 3 x the pot and then a player after him went all in. The original raiser went into the tank and then folded. The next hand he raised again about 4 x the pot and then declared that he would not be folding again. I looked down at AK suited and as I had the player well covered in chips pushed all in expecting the said call. However, after another long think, this player again folded. I did not think too much about it at the time but a 'regular' who was sat by me on the table said I should of asked for a ruling to see if his verbal statement meant he had to call my all in.
Could I have some views on this please as I have very little 'live' experience and would like to hear what I should of done/what should of happened? If you have time, please can you comment aswell Tikay, thank you.
Once action has taken place - & it had, as UTG had raised - the hand must remain "live". notwithstanding other consequences. It is up to the Dealer, AND all players - including you - to point out such errors BEFORE it is too late. If you fail so to do, you pay the penalty. Tough, eh?
Old school players in that spot, however, realising how unjust it would be in the quoted example, & preferring common-sense to a badly-applied Rule & Convention of poker, would all muck their hands, & move on. As a general rule, it's best not to contest pots where a rule anomoly is suspected, as it only leads to arguments & bad blood. And who needs that?
Is this for real or what ??, lol, thats insane.
Tk, whith such a bizarre rule, you must have asked the reasoning behind it. What is it ?
Were the Rule NOT in force, late position players could & would pull all sorts of stunts to manipulate situations. One of their hole cards may "disappear" - VOID HAND" he then shouts, or he claims one of any number of potential transgressions simply to find a way to kill the hand for his own spurious reasons. So the Rule of "once action has taken place, the hand stands" is actually very necessary, despite several negatives it confers on play. So players themselves have a duty to pay attention, because THEY have the power to stop play BEFORE action takes place.
Imagine, to take it to the extreme, that a 2 way hand had reached Showdown, & Player A realises he is about to get stacked. He suddenly shouts "ooh, it was a misdeal, Button was in the wrong place" or whatever. See the prob?
Never underestimate the guile & cunning of poker players to manipulate a Rule or situation to their advantage, hence all these odd Rules. As a generality, moral scruples are abandoned in favour of financial gain, & thus Rules need to be framed to defend against such things.
I think I already mentioned the truly extraordinary situation where, in the £750 Entry UK Open, because three players BEHIND me acted out of turn, before I had been able to act, MY hand was declared Void, & they escaped without penalty! No legal system on earth could condone the wholly innocent party being the only one to be penalised. But poker can, & does. And that's because poker players do their utmost to find ways to manipulate the Rules. Which is fine & dandy, until someone - say, an Online Cardroom - does it to THEM.......;