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Call, raise or shove?
silentbob
Member Posts: 2,137
Cash game, 10p/20p
Given the way the table's been playing I'm 99% certain that I'm way ahead here but it all started to get a little bit crazy.
Player 1 has been busy with silly little raises from any position & calling raises from any position too. He's been involved in too many hands to make me think he's particularly big here. Most of the hands he's been involved in though haven't gone to showdown (he's either taken it pre or on the flop) but the 2 I remember going to showdown was 1 where he'd called in early position with A5o & one where he'd raised in late position with 75s.
Player 2 worries me slightly more with the flat call here but without 4 betting me I feel confident that he doesn't have the one hand I really don't want to see. My guess is that it's a kind of AK/AQ/AJ type of hand or maybe a lower pair. He hasn't particularly been overly busy but has seen a few flops, mainly in position.
I'm not in the least bothered by shorty shoving. It's probable that he's got almost any ace or even a KQ/KJ kind of hand & with my initial raise it's not much more even if he does have AA.
When player 1 flats the all in what's the best move here. In my mind I've got 3 realistic options (& folding ain't one of them!)
1 - Flat call. If I flat here I'm fairly confident that player 2 also flats & I can try to see a safe flop. If the ace appears then I've got an opportunity to get away fairly cheap. The reason I don't particularly like taking this line is because PF I'm 99% certain I'm ahead & don't want to waste an opportunity.
2 - 5 bet re-raise.Ignoring shorty here I still don't really want to go to the flop multi way so what bet realistically gets rid of at least one of the remaining players here? I figure that £5/£6 might still price them in, in which case I may need to make it somewhere nearer £10 but then surely I'm pot committed?
3 - Shove.This should flush out drawing hands that could easily outdraw me & I'm also thinking that the pots fairly juicy as it is so maybe HU against shorty wouldn't be the worst outcome as there's less chance of being outdrawn?
Like I say, I'm 99% certain that I'm ahead pre here & although I'm sure I'm up against one ace due to previous play & betting patterns I'm very confident I'm not up against AA.
What do people think is the best line here?
Given the way the table's been playing I'm 99% certain that I'm way ahead here but it all started to get a little bit crazy.
Player 1 has been busy with silly little raises from any position & calling raises from any position too. He's been involved in too many hands to make me think he's particularly big here. Most of the hands he's been involved in though haven't gone to showdown (he's either taken it pre or on the flop) but the 2 I remember going to showdown was 1 where he'd called in early position with A5o & one where he'd raised in late position with 75s.
Player 2 worries me slightly more with the flat call here but without 4 betting me I feel confident that he doesn't have the one hand I really don't want to see. My guess is that it's a kind of AK/AQ/AJ type of hand or maybe a lower pair. He hasn't particularly been overly busy but has seen a few flops, mainly in position.
I'm not in the least bothered by shorty shoving. It's probable that he's got almost any ace or even a KQ/KJ kind of hand & with my initial raise it's not much more even if he does have AA.
When player 1 flats the all in what's the best move here. In my mind I've got 3 realistic options (& folding ain't one of them!)
1 - Flat call. If I flat here I'm fairly confident that player 2 also flats & I can try to see a safe flop. If the ace appears then I've got an opportunity to get away fairly cheap. The reason I don't particularly like taking this line is because PF I'm 99% certain I'm ahead & don't want to waste an opportunity.
2 - 5 bet re-raise.Ignoring shorty here I still don't really want to go to the flop multi way so what bet realistically gets rid of at least one of the remaining players here? I figure that £5/£6 might still price them in, in which case I may need to make it somewhere nearer £10 but then surely I'm pot committed?
3 - Shove.This should flush out drawing hands that could easily outdraw me & I'm also thinking that the pots fairly juicy as it is so maybe HU against shorty wouldn't be the worst outcome as there's less chance of being outdrawn?
Like I say, I'm 99% certain that I'm ahead pre here & although I'm sure I'm up against one ace due to previous play & betting patterns I'm very confident I'm not up against AA.
What do people think is the best line here?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| SHORTY | Small blind | £0.10 | £0.10 | £4.17 | |
| ------ | Big blind | £0.20 | £0.30 | £17.12 | |
| Your hole cards |
| ||||
| PLAYER 1 | Raise | £0.80 | £1.10 | £25.87 | |
| silentbob | Raise | £2.20 | £3.30 | £15.98 | |
| PLAYER 2 | Call | £2.20 | £5.50 | £15.92 | |
| SHORTY | All-in | £4.17 | £9.67 | £0.00 | |
| ------ | Fold | ||||
| PLAYER 1 | Call | £3.47 | £13.14 | £22.40 | |
| silentbob | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? |
Comments
I personally just click the button... but each to their own!
oh and bean... i get the impression that your mexican... not sure why :S
I'm not a shove monkey by nature (particularly when this deep!) but I just thought that a realistic re-raise here is a good £10 & then I'm not only committed but also won't know where I am if the ace flops. So in it all went & to my surprise not only did BOTH players call me but I was also right in my reading of the situation (something I'm not always good at)
The final outcome here is irrelevant as I got my money in good, however despite player 1 getting a reasonable price (little over 3/1) would anyone else make the call with his cards?