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checking a pot down when a player is all in?

loonytoonsloonytoons Member Posts: 4,270
edited May 2010 in The Poker Clinic
Was playing a tourney and blinds were 200/400, i had 20,000, player B 18,000, player C all in 3500, there were 20 odd left and top 5 got paid. My problem is, me and player B called the all in guy, i hit middle pair, i bet 2000, player B folds, all in guy goes on to win the hand. Player B now says im daft, he woulda won on the river and we shoulda checked it down. My thinking in this situation, is that its not the bubble or a sattelite, so i played the hand normally, ok i lost but i would have anyway as it happens, but i would like to know if and when other players think its ok to check check through the streets against an all in player, and when its not.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited May 2010
    'He woulda won'  'he called me daft'




    equates to



    he's daft ! 

    Nothing saying you have to check it down. Nh.
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  • acebarry10acebarry10 Member Posts: 7,556
    edited May 2010
    I always check it down, even if im sure im ahead
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: checking a pot down when a player is all in?:
    I always check it down, even if im sure im ahead
    Posted by acebarry10

    Why? The aim of an MTT is to win all the chips not all limp into the cash together.
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  • acebarry10acebarry10 Member Posts: 7,556
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: checking a pot down when a player is all in?:
    In Response to Re: checking a pot down when a player is all in? : Why? The aim of an MTT is to win all the chips not all limp into the cash together.
    Posted by beaneh
    1 less player
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  • Patching99Patching99 Member Posts: 446
    edited May 2010
    Poker is meant to be a competive game, if you think the best way to win is bet then bet.  Doesn't matter what anyone says thats the game.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: checking a pot down when a player is all in?:
    In Response to Re: checking a pot down when a player is all in? : 1 less player
    Posted by acebarry10
    If you're 50 off the money does it matter though if one goes or they don't?

    Close to bubble, FT's etc and when you dont have big hands fine insta check.
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  • spornybolspornybol Member Posts: 8,212
    edited May 2010
    i`v had it were all in and myself and other player checked till the river,he was last 2 acted with me first, i checked, he made mistake tryin 2 steal on a bounty by going all in and i had full house so had 2 call, thats 2 heads 4 me, i would always checked down and if all in won they won. why waste losiin more chips,  even though it`s unwriten law i would say it`s commen curticy. sorry 4 spelling mistakes??
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  • Donut64Donut64 Member Posts: 2,666
    edited May 2010
    If I have flopped 2 pair or trips and their is a flush or striaght draw I am always going to bet but Im not keen on bluffing or semi bluffing when I know I have to turn my cards over!
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  • YoungUnYoungUn Member Posts: 422
    edited May 2010
    Good etiquette says the pot should always be checked down, but if you've got a strong hand you should definitely bet it to protect it. I'd probably be checking middle pair when there's a "dry" side-pot, but if you thinm you've got the best hand out of the three of you then there's nothing wrong with betting to protect it.
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  • loonytoonsloonytoons Member Posts: 4,270
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: checking a pot down when a player is all in?:
    I always check it down, even if im sure im ahead
    Posted by acebarry10
    This seems illogical and very dangerous to me. Are you saying in the middle stages of a tourney, if you had AA and called an all in for 3/4 of your stack, and got another caller who had similar chip stack to you, flop came A,3,4 two diamonds, you would check it down and give the 2nd oponent the chance to do you in with a gutshot flush/straight draw?
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  • MereNoviceMereNovice Member Posts: 4,364
    edited May 2010
    The only time that you "must" check down a pot when a player is all-in is when you are on the bubble of a satellite.
    This is because it is good strategy - not etiquette. The object is to qualify and there is no advantage to increasing your stack - you just want to knock out the small stack.

    In any other situation it is purely subjective - even on the bubble of a standard tournament. If you feel that it is advantageous to you to bet then you should do so.
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  • acebarry10acebarry10 Member Posts: 7,556
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: checking a pot down when a player is all in?:
    In Response to Re: checking a pot down when a player is all in? : This seems illogical and very dangerous to me. Are you saying in the middle stages of a tourney, if you had AA and called an all in for 3/4 of your stack, and got another caller who had similar chip stack to you, flop came A,3,4 two diamonds, you would check it down and give the 2nd oponent the chance to do you in with a gutshot flush/straight draw?
    Posted by loonytoons
    No, I am saying I am 100% certain I have the stone cold nuts, I will still check it down.
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  • bigflop1bigflop1 Member Posts: 1,034
    edited May 2010
    this is debated in every casino iv played in!! its happened to me a few times, but i think there is no right way!!

    it depends on the situation.. if there were 6 players left and your bankroll needed the cash then i check it down and hope the guys all in busts out...

    i personally dont care about the guy who would have won only my stack!!!

    if you checked it down you would have lost the hand but 1 less player in tourney!! 

    i bet and take the pot!!
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited May 2010

    sporny your "unwritten law"  isnt because it is courteous its so the two players left in "softplay" each other (without directly saying it) in order to increase the chance of knocking the other guy out, that is the only reason why you would check it down

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