Damsel In Destress Needs U

xFALLENx

Anybody who knos me knos I play the deepstack most nights and I do very well, 80% of the time I make the final table but I cant seem 2 get past the bubble.
I have a few times but thats after ive downed several glasses of wine and then stopped shaking (and Im not joking)

Any CONSTRUCTIVE  ideas am getting 2 that stage where I give up poker?

DOHHHHHHH

Do you really make the FT 80% of the time?????

I think it should be you giving me advice!!!!

CanI add to the opening post?

I want a "Penguins guide to going deep" ...in NLHE Tournys of course...

6 simple steps to success...

Mr_Miyagi

I fold every hand unless it is AA


but I am a coward, identify the players such as myself and steal them blinds.

Springs

The bubble is probably the hardest part of a poker game; I often find myself torn between getting too aggressive, or becoming too passive. Beating the bubble is all about finding the balance between these two styles.

If, as you say, you are reaching the final table in 80% of the tournaments you play (which I have to say sounds PHENOMENALLY high!), then you clearly 'have game'. However, what sort of stack are you reaching the final table with? Do you sort of 'limp across the line' onto the FT, or are you getting there in good health?

Aggression is clearly the optimal strategy, by bullying those who are waiting to cash ... lots of pre-flop raising, and C-Bets in position should get most hands through.

But there is no sense in turning into a bull, thrashing into every pot, as you will eventually get looked up. As shown by the latest Vegan final.


There are a LOT of articles published online about the bubble, which are readily accessible. I would link some, but I don't want to go against any T&Cs.


Just as a last thought, if you really are final table-ing (wonder how that word is spelt?!) 80% of tournaments, but finding the bubble difficult, then maybe DYMs are worth a look at, as you are clearly able to outlast most opponents.

xFALLENx

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Do you really make the FT 80% of the time????? I think it should be you giving me advice!!!! CanI add to the opening post? I want a "Penguins guide to going deep" ...in NLHE Tournys of course... 6 simple steps to success...
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Yes I do DOHHHHHHH

Its only £2.30 game so lots of chancers/donks u just let em knock each other out.

but I tend 2 have some sort of block when I get to FT and I start chancing a bit more as was told I play2 tight at the end but it never pans out 4 me and I just crash & burn.

Im not joking here

OMahonyO

blackfish is ur man

BlackFish3

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blackfish is ur man
Posted by OMahonyO

LOL i could never miss a fallen post!!

You said something about letting the other players knock each other out fallen... are you perhaps not being aggressive enough and taking some of the chips being donked off by the weaker players and then finding yourself low on chips?

Constructive really hurts... its just not in my nature!

xFALLENx

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Hi Fallen from what I saw tonight you played very well. What I tend to do around bubble time is make sure I'm not the short stack, this is important as it draws the focus on to the next shortest player and so the easiest target. Sometimes your not going to get any playable hands this is where position is very important, when it's folded round and your in small blind just push any 2 cards, chances are big blind will fold and you can breath for a little longer. Also if there is a shortie on the table be careful how aggressive you get incase he slips by you to cash. But overall from the play I've seen from you there isn't a whole lot to improve.
Posted by Dudeskin8

TY Dude for ur advice.

I dont kno what Im doing wrong even If I dont go into the FT short stacked I still tend 2 lose...my friend reckons it all in my head and I seem 2 have some kind of block.

Am getting so upset by this now.

Lisa x

xFALLENx

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In Response to Re: Damsel In Destress Needs U : LOL i could never miss a fallen post!! You said something about letting the other players knock each other out fallen... are you perhaps not being aggressive enough and taking some of the chips being donked off by the weaker players and then finding yourself low on chips? Constructive really hurts... its just not in my nature!
Posted by BlackFish3

My hero Blackfish

Wow didnt take u long 2 come 2 my rescue ... and nice aswall ....mayb ur r my knight in shining armour

dav1964

Hi fallen we sat with eachother yesterday on that 12 player sit and go and to be honest i did think you played 1 or 2 raggy hands imo.It is all about figuring out your oppos as quick as poss and getting there chips in your own stack if they are playing loose.Sure they will get lucky in some pots but the majority of the time you will beat them.BTW i won that tourny in the end.All the best dav xxx

xFALLENx

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Hi fallen we sat with eachother yesterday on that 12 player sit and go and to be honest i did think you played 1 or 2 raggy hands imo.It is all about figuring out your oppos as quick as poss and getting there chips in your own stack if they are playing loose.Sure they will get lucky in some pots but the majority of the time you will beat them.BTW i won that tourny in the end.All the best dav xxx
Posted by dav1964

Ah WD dav 4winning (and I did expect...cos i kno ur good)

That why I play the deepies normally, its a much slower paced game and u have got room 2 make small mistakes (chip size & long blinds), and I do well but when I get on the FT paniac overtakes me and I get scared.

I kno I have 2 overcome this.

Lisa xx

labrat64

hi lisa, long time no see. Good to hear you doin good now. Your game must have improved loads lol. Anyway, final table time. Don't think of the bubble too much or it will set in your mind that you can't pop it. All you got to do is burst that bubble a couple of times and you'll be fine. As for hands, well you got to have a workable stack to play with, are you letting yourself be blinded down to around 6 or 7 BB. if so you got no fold equity and when you shove on that final table the big stacks are getting odds to call with marginal hands and they always seem to hit. Try to hit that final table with a bigger stack in relation to BB. Don't let your stack get too low to make a difference to how others play you. Be more aggressive a bit earlier, say when you get to around 15 - 17 BB in your stack, or in the third hour when the blinds start to rack up. All the best, Ian

xFALLENx

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hi lisa, long time no see. Good to hear you doin good now. Your game must have improved loads lol. Anyway, final table time. Don't think of the bubble too much or it will set in your mind that you can't pop it. All you got to do is burst that bubble a couple of times and you'll be fine. As for hands, well you got to have a workable stack to play with, are you letting yourself be blinded down to around 6 or 7 BB. if so you got no fold equity and when you shove on that final table the big stacks are getting odds to call with marginal hands and they always seem to hit. Try to hit that final table with a bigger stack in relation to BB. Don't let your stack get too low to make a difference to how others play you. Be more aggressive a bit earlier, say when you get to around 15 - 17 BB in your stack, or in the third hour when the blinds start to rack up. All the best, Ian
Posted by labrat64

TY Ian

but ur cheeky...lol....my game improved loads...it was ok b4!!!!

sad confession here but have been dreaming about the bubble lately...lmao.

4 times in 1 week


Lisa xx

xFALLENx

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The bubble is probably the hardest part of a poker game; I often find myself torn between getting too aggressive, or becoming too passive. Beating the bubble is all about finding the balance between these two styles. If, as you say, you are reaching the final table in 80% of the tournaments you play (which I have to say sounds PHENOMENALLY high!), then you clearly 'have game'. However, what sort of stack are you reaching the final table with? Do you sort of 'limp across the line' onto the FT, or are you getting there in good health? Aggression is clearly the optimal strategy, by bullying those who are waiting to cash ... lots of pre-flop raising, and C-Bets in position should get most hands through. But there is no sense in turning into a bull, thrashing into every pot, as you will eventually get looked up. As shown by the latest Vegan final. There are a LOT of articles published online about the bubble, which are readily accessible. I would link some, but I don't want to go against any T&Cs. Just as a last thought, if you really are final table-ing (wonder how that word is spelt?!) 80% of tournaments, but finding the bubble difficult, then maybe DYMs are worth a look at, as you are clearly able to outlast most opponents.
Posted by Springs

TY Springs....noted......lisa x

chew07

HI  lisa we play the same D/S games each night often on the same table .I have never noticed anything wrong with your play apart from the fact that when you do get anywhere near the bubble even with a big stack your game changes as if you are trying to prove a point .I thing you should just play your own game as you have up to this point, i know it is very easy for someone else to say forget the bubble but that is what you have got to do . Your overall game is more than good enough to win many tournys not just cash in them all you need is a bit of luck in running as we all do .Good luck in your next tourny and many others even if it means you beating me Mick xxxxxxxxx

Cowgomoo

I hate to be picky, but I respectfully disagree that you make 80% of final tables. I believe that to be impossible.

xFALLENx

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I hate to be picky, but I respectfully disagree that you make 80% of final tables. I believe that to be impossible.
Posted by Cowgomoo

Yes u r extremly picky but around that yes.

I play the D/S most nights and usually last 2/3 hours.

constructive NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

charlyb8

 
    Lisa hunni,ive known and played with you in most games over the last couple of years,and i know your a good player and confident to win most games you play.We all have what you would call bad runs and no one should know that better than me and it does knock your confidence,sometimes quite a lot and yes you do feel like packing it in,ive also felt that so i do understand how your feeling at the moment.As 1/2 players have said.you must get this out of your head,if you think bubble then your'll do it,so just clear your mind and think possitive,I AM GOING TO CASH.All good players go through this at some time or another and you are 1.so no more thinking of stopping,have a short break if you feel the need but dont stop because i know you love the game and i know you wouldnt be happy if you did.So chin up babe,Be a little more aggressive in the earlier stages and build that stack up.Go girl and start wipeing them out and no more of thinking about stopping,i'm behind you 100%.
                                 Chris xxxx

Springs

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I hate to be picky, but I respectfully disagree that you make 80% of final tables. I believe that to be impossible.
Posted by Cowgomoo

Heads-Up / SNGs??

;-)

GaryQQQ

In an MTT a tight game will get you through the early minefield most of the time, but as the closing stages approach you're gonna have to ramp up the aggresion sooner or later to stand any chance of hitting a big prize. Once the bubble has burst there's no time to sit around waiting for AA or KK, you're gonna have to pick your spots carefully and get all your chips in the middle or you'll just get blinded out. Clinging on for a min cash shouldn't be your goal here, you've got to have the confidence to take well timed risks that give you a shot at taking the tourney down, often you'll leave empty handed, but the occasions that it pays off will make it a profitable strategy in the long run. When you make a final table the huge difference between 1st and 6th prizes will justify risks you wouldn't have even considered in the first hour of the tournament

If you look at the Sharkscope graph of a top MTT player it will look a bit like a series of steps, long periods of gradual losses get followed by a sudden big upward leap when that player takes another tourney down.

Maybe take the time to find a good book on tournament play and keep reading it over and over until everything sinks in, Harrington on Hold 'Em, or similar. See the books thread for more info. When you've had a disappointing final table take the time to review the hand history and consider if you could have done anything better. Good luck.

xFALLENx

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In an MTT a tight game will get you through the early minefield most of the time, but as the closing stages approach you're gonna have to ramp up the aggresion sooner or later to stand any chance of hitting a big prize. Once the bubble has burst there's no time to sit around waiting for AA or KK, you're gonna have to pick your spots carefully and get all your chips in the middle or you'll just get blinded out. Clinging on for a min cash shouldn't be your goal here, you've got to have the confidence to take well timed risks that give you a shot at taking the tourney down, often you'll leave empty handed, but the occasions that it pays off will make it a profitable strategy in the long run. When you make a final table the huge difference between 1st and 6th prizes will justify risks you wouldn't have even considered in the first hour of the tournament If you look at the Sharkscope graph of a top MTT player it will look a bit like a series of steps, long periods of gradual losses get followed by a sudden big upward leap when that player takes another tourney down. Maybe take the time to find a good book on tournament play and keep reading it over and over until everything sinks in, Harrington on Hold 'Em, or similar. See the books thread for more info. When you've had a disappointing final table take the time to review the hand history and consider if you could have done anything better. Good luck.
Posted by GaryQQQ

Ty 4 ur advice Gary...it is very well written and does make a lot of sense.
I play on other site and have been told that Im a lot more aggressive there, which I am. I cant seem 2 move it over 2 sky, mayb being bubble girl(lots) has affected me a lot more then I realised.