Not getting full value.

robc

fearless82	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£2.48
bajan	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£10.49
	Your hole cards	J J
robc	Raise		£0.32	£0.44	£21.97
----	Call		£0.32	£0.76	£3.70
xxxx	Call		£0.32	£1.08	£14.43
fearless82	Fold
bajan	Call		£0.24	£1.32	£10.25
Flop
		4 2 4
bajan	Bet		£0.08	£1.40	£10.17
robc	Raise		£1.19	£2.59	£20.78
-----	Call		£1.19	£3.78	£2.51
xxxx	Call		£1.19	£4.97	£13.24
bajan	Fold
Turn
		3
robc	Check
----	Check
xxxx	Bet		£3.44	£8.41	£9.80
robc	Call		£3.44	£11.85	£17.34
----	Fold
River
		6
robc	Check
xxxxx	Check
robc	Show	J J
xxxx	Muck	8 8
robc	Win	Two Pairs, Jacks and 4s	£11.26		£28.60

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i played this hand badly i think. just wondered if i could get some advice because i dont think im getting full value out of these hands. i felt like when the turn brought the 3s it was a bad card which completed any flush draws and possible straights. and had to slow down what should i be doing here? a bet of £2-£2.50 to see where i am? i really hate my check on the river as if villian decided to shove i would be hating my hand.

robc

Dont no why its messed up abit lol

zing

if you're gona check turn you should be checking to fold if someone bets.

robc

Yeah that makes sense, i lost where i was in the hand i didnt expect 2 callers on the flop.

Do you think i should be making a £2.50 bet on the turn? as would give me alot more info? but if he re pops me i got to fold and wasn't sure if i should be betting if i fold to a shove?

or is c-fold probably the best option in the long term?

like i said i played it horribly and with 3 callers pre i didnt have a clue where i stood lol

BlackFish3

I think i would check fold, just because it's multi way and the worst turn ever.

MereNovice

I think that you're being very hard on yourself - it just turned out nastily.
I wouldn't be too worried if I played a hand like this - but I'm not as accomplished as many of the experienced cash players on this site.

You made a good pre-flop raise. Judging by the number of callers it looks like a loose table so possibly a 5*bb raise is better here.

You raised the really weak lead out which is good - again you can raise it a bit more here on a loose table on a wet flop. When you only get called you should definitely think that you are ahead at this point.

Against two players after the flop, it's reasonable to fear that someone has made their draw since by just calling your raise on the flop it looks like at least one of them must be on a draw. However, I think that you need to just grit your teeth and lead out - you may have to be prepared to lay down to a shove but you may be pot committed (you certainly would be if you'd raised more pre-flop and post-flop).

Like just about every poker decision the over-riding factor is your opinion of your opponents. Would they just call on the flop with a "big" hand like two overcards and a flush draw? Would they draw to a straight on a paired flop when, even if they hit their straight, they may lose to a flush or fullhouse. Are they the type of players to call a 4*bb pf bet with 2 low (suited) connectors?

There are very few certainties in poker and it's not possible to play every hand perfectly - even if we knew what "perfect play" was!

robc

it was a very loose table so your right a 5x pre would of been better as im out of position, and looking now a bet of maybe £1.50 on the flop or more? as i dont really have many safe cards in the deck in a multi way pot, any spade,A,K,Q,3,2 and possibly 4 are danger cards but cant see me getting away if it was a 4 on the turn lol. so should i be looking to take the pot down there?

 when they both called i guessed they either had over cards or flush draws which made the turn a horrible card. at this stage i was tempted to bet around £2-£2.50 but knew if anyone went over the top i would have to fold, so i went with the check and then the villian in position on us bet i dont really no why i called but i was guessing he might of tried this bet as it was quite obvious me and the other villian didnt like the spade. looking back the fold in the long run would of been the right choice as if he bet any substantial amount on the river i was gone.

The reason i posted this hand is when i seen his hand i thought maybe i should not of slowed down and tried to get abit more value on the turn and river?

could people answer this for me.

Would you bet the turn to see where you were? if so how much?

c-f?

c-c? (guessing not to many arguments for this play lol) if anyone would what would you do on the river?

if you bet and get re raised what do you do?

if you bet and get called what next on the river?

 Cheers everyone who has answered so far

Patching99

I think I would have raised it 20p preflop, larger than pot size bet on flop then check-fold the turn.

Dudeskin8

I would personally make it 5x preflop as this is still 8NL and plenty of loose players. On the flop maybe raise bit more to £1.35-40.

Turn is awful card as two calls look like standard draws, the big bet of £3.44 is way too much just to call out of position, I would jut give up there. I guess you could bet £2-2.50 on turn but OOP it makes it very tough.