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Final Table heads up - What would you do next?
Bradnock
Member Posts: 88
All,
This hand is from the £3k Double Stack....
Managed to final table and eventually got heads up. 1st paid £920 and 2nd paid £550.
Stacks are deep and the blinds are huge now just wondering what most players next step would be here? Both of our ranges had been tight nd at some point throughout the FT we had outdrawn each other when the other was ahead.
This hand is from the £3k Double Stack....
Managed to final table and eventually got heads up. 1st paid £920 and 2nd paid £550.
Stacks are deep and the blinds are huge now just wondering what most players next step would be here? Both of our ranges had been tight nd at some point throughout the FT we had outdrawn each other when the other was ahead.
| Bradnock | Small blind | 20000.00 | 20000.00 | 602655.11 | |
| vegasman | Big blind | 40000.00 | 60000.00 | 813344.89 | |
| Your hole cards |
| ||||
| Bradnock | Call | 20000.00 | 80000.00 | 582655.11 | |
| vegasman | Raise | 80000.00 | 160000.00 | 733344.89 | |
| Bradnock | Call | 80000.00 | 240000.00 | 502655.11 | |
| Flop | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| |||||
| vegasman | Bet | 40000.00 | 280000.00 | 693344.89 | |
| Bradnock | Call | 40000.00 | 320000.00 | 462655.11 | |
| Turn | |||||
| |||||
| vegasman | Bet | 160000.00 | 480000.00 | 533344.89 | |
What hands should i feasibly be thinking about here with the turn bet? Or should we be fist pumping at this stage and think we are ahead?
Would you be raising, shipping, calling or considering you are beat and folding?
Or do you need more information here?
Cheers
Kieran
Comments
Again, you call a min-bet in position on the flop. At this point, you have next to no idea what villain has on a draw-heavy board. What was the purpose for the call? Was it to get a bet out of him on the turn? Or (more likely) was it because you had no idea where you were? If it was the latter, you needed to make an information raise, 100k would have sufficed. You can fold if he shoves on you (if you feel you're behind), if he calls he's probably checking every turn card to you so you can shove any non-dangerous card (which IMO an offsuit 9 is) and if he folds, hurray, we've won a decent pot and we're in the chip lead. The momentum is with us, and crucially we've prevented getting into a tricky situation on the turn.
It's highly likely IMO that, with more aggression, this hand would have been over pre or post flop (at least in terms of betting, you might have got it all-in on the flop if you felt your QJ was good, which I probably would FWIW).
In direct answer to your question, as played, I'm still going to ship it on him. Our hand is under-repped here, there's almost no chance he's putting us on QJ, so I think he's probably protecting his A5/A9 from one of the many draws that are out there, which, from villains point of view, makes up a large part of your range IMO. A9/K9 makes sense to me, since he's gone from a min-bet to pot-bet after the 9 has fallen. I don't think he has Q9 because it doesn't make sense that he'd min bet top pair HU on that draw-heavy a board, only to then pot-bet when he makes top two, and that's a pretty weird betting pattern for AQ/KQ too.
I know your question is about your turn play, and forgive me if I sound overly-critical, but you shouldn't be in this position come the turn. Look at your actions this hand, in position, with a strong HU hand:
But what do I know? I'm strictly a low stakes MTT player.
Cheers for the feedback all.
There was a reason behind my flat call pre, he had twice made the 80k raise and i had shipped twice bringing the stacks back to level-ish.(I was shipping quite light) - should of probably revealed that information in my OP.
YoungUn - I am open to criticism, and yours is constructive. My usual game would be raising pre for info on opppos hand, i chose to take a different route as i wanted to shove but thought he wont call as he has not previously called so wanted to see if the flop bought him any reason to get it in, as it was that was a interesting flop. Trying to change styles at that stage of tournament is not wise.
My main mistake is calling, calling, calling with a fairly weak holding, even the 9 had me confuzzled.
Will reveal soon. Cheers all.
Beaneh - I think i wrote 'deep stacks', should of thought it through as your right at 30BB its pretty much short stack v short stack.
TPGK HU 15bb deep is hudge and as everyone else has said
he minbets flop which does look super weak and the thought of slowplaying does come across my mind but the board is so wet and lots of nasty turn cards either give you the 2nd best hand or kill your action (3,6,A,K, flush)
that id prob make it 160k on flop
YoungUn suggests making an 'information' raise then folding? if you get shoved on, i dont agree as we can be ahead of lots of his shoving range Axdd Kxdd Qxdd & other flush draws, he can have weaker made hands or shove putting you on a flush draw with anything from A5-JJ that you have crushed
Thanks for all the feedback, LOL_RAISE was close to my thought pattern through the hand i thought he was slowplaying but i was not good enough to believe it....
A lesson in why you should raise in position with a decent holding, i think i would of folded to a shove pre though.
As i RR on the turn i thought i either have him beat or he has KK/AA i was ahead a high % of the time then i was committed.
Definitely a shrug from me DeucesLive, as i say i am ahead in this situation 70% or so of the time.
Kieran