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combo draw, paired board

OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
edited May 2010 in The Poker Clinic
how did I play up to now.  Pretty sure I played post turn horribly but will post that later.  What would you do on turn?
OMahonyO Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £46.97
KarlTheRef Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £27.89
  Your hole cards
  • 8
  • 7
     
bailey69 Raise  £0.80 £1.10 £13.40
redman1 Call  £0.80 £1.90 £2.47
Prickles Call  £0.80 £2.70 £54.14
power21 Fold     
OMahonyO Raise  £3.40 £6.10 £43.57
KarlTheRef Fold     
bailey69 Fold     
redman1 Fold     
Prickles Call  £2.70 £8.80 £51.44
Flop
   
  • 10
  • 10
  • 9
     
OMahonyO Bet  £5.40 £14.20 £38.17
Prickles Call  £5.40 £19.60 £46.04
Turn
   
  • 5
   
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited May 2010
    actually, looking again, maybe I played pre rly bad as i was oop

    edit - I just remembered i have posted the whole hand elsewhere on the forum, but no cheating lol
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  • UnknownUnknown
    edited May 2010

    Squeeze pre is pointless, you really expect to get through 4 callers, especially if utg decides to flat your 3b? Everyone else will tag along and you will be out of position in a huge pot with a hand that needs to flop the world to continue.

    Given that you DID flop the world, i bet more like £7-8 on flop, and jamming the turn (i know its an overbet, but you really don't want to start check/calling this hand).

    Now you have arrived to the turn, I like betting something like £11-12 as a slight blocker bet where a ten might let you see the river card cheap. Bet/Call the turn if he raises the 11/12, and hope you spike your 15 outs. C/f if you get to the river and brick. 

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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited May 2010
    thanks coxy, i dont really understand some of your post though.

    in one paragraph you say shove turn and in another you say bet 11-12



    anyway here is another
    RYBOB Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £26.18
    OMahonyO Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £19.80
      Your hole cards
    • 5
    • 6
    		     
    dalty Call  £0.20 £0.50 £44.52
    graham1941 Fold     
    Bennie-BDM Fold     
    leftfoot Raise  £0.80 £1.30 £18.60
    RYBOB Call  £0.70 £2.00 £25.48
    OMahonyO Call  £0.60 £2.60 £19.20
    dalty Call  £0.60 £3.20 £43.92
    Flop
       
    • 8
    • 5
    • 3
    		     
    RYBOB Check     
    OMahonyO Check     
    dalty Check     
    leftfoot Bet  £1.60 £4.80 £17.00
    RYBOB Raise  £3.20 £8.00 £22.28
    OMahonyO All-in  £19.20 £27.20 £0.00
    dalty Fold     
    leftfoot Fold     
    RYBOB Call  £16.00 £43.20 £6.28
    RYBOB Show
    • 8
    • 8
    		   
    OMahonyO Show
    • 5
    • 6
    		   
    Turn
       
    • 10
    		     
    River
       
    • 3
    		     
    RYBOB Win Full House, 8s and 3s £41.40  £47.68
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  • zingzing Member Posts: 333
    edited May 2010
    1st hand spew

    #1 is classic fancy play syndrome pre and raise is way too small anyway if you're actually looking for folds

    2nd hand spew - way overplaying your hand, you're better off betting out

    stop playing suited connectors oop at micros and see your bankroll increase it really isn't needed to beat 20nl with ease


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  • 35suited35suited Member Posts: 2,332
    edited May 2010
    I think coxy was saying he would have bet more on the flop then jammed the turn but as you played it he would bet £11-£12
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  • DeuceAK_47DeuceAK_47 Member Posts: 381
    edited May 2010
    At 20nl your against mostly loose passive players so you should only be 3betting/squeezing for value, so i would take all low pair and suited connectors out of your 3betting range and add hands like 99 and kj for thin value.
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  • UnknownUnknown
    edited May 2010
    Apologies for an unclear post, 35suited is correct. On the flop I would have pot/jammed turn, whereas now you are on the turn I'd bet £11-12/call shove.

    56cc on that board vs a bet and a minraise is pretty muck, unless you have specific reads that RYBOB plays an overpair like this, he is signalling a set/2pair with his minraise, meaning you are drawing thin with your flush draw. You have no money invested on the flop, maybe its time to dump it now instead of taking the high variance route.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: combo draw, paired board:
    Apologies for an unclear post, 35suited is correct. On the flop I would have pot/jammed turn, whereas now you are on the turn I'd bet £11-12/call shove. 56cc on that board vs a bet and a minraise is pretty muck, unless you have specific reads that RYBOB plays an overpair like this, he is signalling a set/2pair with his minraise, meaning you are drawing thin with your flush draw. You have no money invested on the flop, maybe its time to dump it now instead of taking the high variance route.
    Posted by CoxyLboro
    Is it never a call to bring in the initial bettor, and take a big draw 3 handed to the turn, pretty deep stacked still?

    Or is this asking for trouble? as If you hit trips/2 pair on the turn you feel inclined to stack off?

    Is it strictly fold/shove?
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