I played them a bit, but after swicthing to micro cash the difference in reward for time spent is amazing. Most the time you just sit there folding every hand and basically just waiting for shove fold, which gets so boring.
If anything as a starting player it would be much better to try the £2.20 deepstack games that offer much more play and with a lot more room for manouve, with the bonus of a chunky pay-out at the top.
I played them a bit, but after swicthing to micro cash the difference in reward for time spent is amazing. Most the time you just sit there folding every hand and basically just waiting for shove fold, which gets so boring. If anything as a starting player it would be much better to try the £2.20 deepstack games that offer much more play and with a lot more room for manouve, with the bonus of a chunky pay-out at the top. Posted by Dudeskin8
Well said dude!-- the deep stacks are infinately better value, which is probably why half of them have been dropped from the schedule---innit
The rake is :- 10% when you play £3 games (30p rake) 12.5% for £2 game (25p rake) 15% for £1 games (15p rake) 20% for 60p and 30p game (10p and 5p rakes) That's why you shouldnt play stt under £2 as the rake kills you. Posted by loonytoons
Thanks loony, thing is, the vast majority of sites have 10% rake on all games, and do not discriminate against beginners and small stakes players as sky do-- it's not fair, and I don't believe it makes sense either.
Getting of topic here with respects to candi's comment you chose the last remaining pure holdem game left in micro section.If you move up to 55p all you have is speed omaha and scary nlh. Posted by belsibub
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Yes hunni I know, that is the very reason why I chose that one as opposed to a higher cash stake S&G table. For the max profit I could get for a small stake game.
imo dym should b outlawed, its not poker!!!!! u wanna play 2 double youre money u should play heads up imo. u wanna play a six seater then play a stt, its ruined skys stt games on here imo.
cash in 63 % of those games = 294 cashes giving a return of 588
Giving a profit after rake of £50
So Gary inst far off with his figures there.
However I agree with you Oy that the rake is a ridiculous level for this type of buy in, especially given that the way the tv shows are presented, it comes across as this is the place to play if you are a beginner, but compared to other sites the price for playing as a beginner is expensive.
I just play Mtt's and a little cash now on sky, mainly due to the fact that the community of the forums is good and thus I want to support the site given what I deem that those fronting the shows participate on here.
However when it comes to SNG's however I play elsewhere, mainly because they are better structured and , I am able to play what I would class as a normal SNg' not some turbo, scarey game where after 15 minutes you are down to 10 BB and thus looking to shove when you get a hand.
Yes maybe for those looking for a bit of quick fun and who just want to gamble those games are fine, but somehow I gain a better sense of acheivement winning or cashing when having played for 36 minutes on a 6 seater table, with all the players still left in, no one has less than 15bb's, you at least get that sense of feeling that 1) you've had your moneys worth and 2) you've had a chance to put into practice some of the poker skills you've learnt.
So for me the STT section on Sky is somewhere I only occasionally visit these days
468 games @ 1.15 = 538.20 cash in 63 % of those games = 294 cashes giving a return of 588 Giving a profit after rake of £50 So Gary inst far off with his figures there. However I agree with you Oy that the rake is a ridiculous level for this type of buy in, especially given that the way the tv shows are presented, it comes across as this is the place to play if you are a beginner, but compared to other sites the price for playing as a beginner is expensive. I just play Mtt's and a little cash now on sky, mainly due to the fact that the community of the forums is good and thus I want to support the site given what I deem that those fronting the shows participate on here. However when it comes to SNG's however I play elsewhere, mainly because they are better structured and , I am able to play what I would class as a normal SNg' not some turbo, scarey game where after 15 minutes you are down to 10 BB and thus looking to shove when you get a hand. Yes maybe for those looking for a bit of quick fun and who just want to gamble those games are fine, but somehow I gain a better sense of acheivement winning or cashing when having played for 36 minutes on a 6 seater table, with all the players still left in, no one has less than 15bb's, you at least get that sense of feeling that 1) you've had your moneys worth and 2) you've had a chance to put into practice some of the poker skills you've learnt. So for me the STT section on Sky is somewhere I only occasionally visit these days Aski Posted by Aski
how does 294 cashes give a return of 588 quid?--- 85p profit per game
if a 60% win rate gives a profit of 5 quid for a hundred games, then you get 25 quid for 500 games--63% can't make that much difference
Anyway, as loonytoons pointed out, the lowest stake games have a 20% rake-- surely it is nearly impossible to make a profit with a 20% rake--- what good is that for a beginner that has been told that sky poker is a good place to start?
well 63% return as opposed to 60% return is an extra £6 profit per 100 hands, hence why the profit for Gary is around £50, and not £25.
But As I stated in my original reply I am total agreement that for beginners and those with small bankrolls, the rakes on the games that those players would be attracted to is a killer
If you do, have you done the math on these? If you win 3 out of five of these games, you will make a profit of 25p--- good innit? The 15% rake on these games make them a complete waste of time! thoughts please Posted by oynutter
YEP DEFO RIGHT M8Y AND IT IS STOPPING SKYPOKER FROM GROWING FASTER,
2 B JEZZZZZUSSSS WHY CANT YOU SKYSUITS SEE THIS .
YOU GUYS ARE CREAMING TO MUCH OFF THE LOWER STAKES .
COME ON BERNIE GET IT SORTED THE LOWER STAKE PLAYER ARE
GETTING IT UP THE BBBBB JEZZUSSSSS WITH THESE RAKES .
It is mate, -- pretty pointless playing them imo--- beginners are the sites future innit--- why penalise them in this way, when there are plenty of sites that charge 10% maximum rake?-- they should be encouraged to stay here, and not encouraged, or even forced, to play thier small stakes games elsewhere--innit
In Response to Re: DO YOU PLAY ONE POUND DOUBLE YOUR MONEY GAMES? : lol--60% win rate means that you invest 115 quid, and around 50 hours to win a fiver---profit---lol---durrrr Posted by oynutter
Playing £1 dym isn't about making a living though... just a step in your poker journey lol.
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If anything as a starting player it would be much better to try the £2.20 deepstack games that offer much more play and with a lot more room for manouve, with the bonus of a chunky pay-out at the top.
how can ya warrant charging more ??
Russian Roulette one hand of poker 10 percent Rake!!
How do i get involved in opening a poker site???
May call it SLY POKER and charge rakes in accordance with
my very own "current business model"!!
;-)
Yes hunni I know, that is the very reason why I chose that one as opposed to a higher cash stake S&G table. For the max profit I could get for a small stake game.
in my opinion sky should be the pinnacle of fairness and make all rake for sngs the same, regardless of buyin.
to penalise the micro stake players is not fair imo, however, i do understand that sky have to take into account what their competitors do
dyms are not evil by the way dohhhh, they are good way to make solid money at 5.50 buy in upwards
hoggers
cash in 63 % of those games = 294 cashes giving a return of 588
Giving a profit after rake of £50
So Gary inst far off with his figures there.
However I agree with you Oy that the rake is a ridiculous level for this type of buy in, especially given that the way the tv shows are presented, it comes across as this is the place to play if you are a beginner, but compared to other sites the price for playing as a beginner is expensive.
I just play Mtt's and a little cash now on sky, mainly due to the fact that the community of the forums is good and thus I want to support the site given what I deem that those fronting the shows participate on here.
However when it comes to SNG's however I play elsewhere, mainly because they are better structured and , I am able to play what I would class as a normal SNg' not some turbo, scarey game where after 15 minutes you are down to 10 BB and thus looking to shove when you get a hand.
Yes maybe for those looking for a bit of quick fun and who just want to gamble those games are fine, but somehow I gain a better sense of acheivement winning or cashing when having played for 36 minutes on a 6 seater table, with all the players still left in, no one has less than 15bb's, you at least get that sense of feeling that 1) you've had your moneys worth and 2) you've had a chance to put into practice some of the poker skills you've learnt.
So for me the STT section on Sky is somewhere I only occasionally visit these days
Aski
468 games at £1 + 15p rake = 538
hence £50 profit
Aski
294 x 85p = £249.90 less (174 x £1.15 = £200.10) = 50 SQUIDS
FLOPPIN NUTTER!
ps. you're right about the rake
Anyway, as loonytoons pointed out, the lowest stake games have a 20% rake-- surely it is nearly impossible to make a profit with a 20% rake--- what good is that for a beginner that has been told that sky poker is a good place to start?
But As I stated in my original reply I am total agreement that for beginners and those with small bankrolls, the rakes on the games that those players would be attracted to is a killer
Aski
2 B JEZZZZZUSSSS WHY CANT YOU SKYSUITS SEE THIS .
YOU GUYS ARE CREAMING TO MUCH OFF THE LOWER STAKES .
COME ON BERNIE GET IT SORTED THE LOWER STAKE PLAYER ARE
GETTING IT UP THE BBBBB JEZZUSSSSS WITH THESE RAKES .