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Going for gold - too much?
MereNovice
Member Posts: 4,364
OK, you'll have to excuse my fishy play on this hand. All I'm really interested about is your opinions on the play on the river.
I had been playing a very basic relaxing game (not so much ABC, probably more AB) at 20NLHE this morning against some rather "exuberant" players who were happy to go all-in on the flop for about 200bb in an un-raised pot or to raise 100bb pre-flop after a couple of limpers. My opponent in this hand was one of the more sedate players. I had been playing a passive game trying to trap and had only had to show one semi-bluff in about an hour of play.
My question is: "Should I have gone for a smaller check raise or is it right to hope that he's got a boat and, if he's going to call any raise he will also call an all-in"? Does the over-raise look like a desperate bluff or are players at 20NLHE not going to fall for that? Should I have bet out on the river hoping to get raised? What size bets should I have made?
I had been playing a very basic relaxing game (not so much ABC, probably more AB) at 20NLHE this morning against some rather "exuberant" players who were happy to go all-in on the flop for about 200bb in an un-raised pot or to raise 100bb pre-flop after a couple of limpers. My opponent in this hand was one of the more sedate players. I had been playing a passive game trying to trap and had only had to show one semi-bluff in about an hour of play.
My question is: "Should I have gone for a smaller check raise or is it right to hope that he's got a boat and, if he's going to call any raise he will also call an all-in"? Does the over-raise look like a desperate bluff or are players at 20NLHE not going to fall for that? Should I have bet out on the river hoping to get raised? What size bets should I have made?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| MereNovice | Small blind | £0.10 | £0.10 | £61.39 | |
| p1 | Big blind | £0.20 | £0.30 | £7.24 | |
| Your hole cards |
| ||||
| villain | Call | £0.20 | £0.50 | £65.13 | |
| p3 | Fold | ||||
| MereNovice | Call | £0.10 | £0.60 | £61.29 | |
| p1 | Check | ||||
| Flop | |||||
| |||||
| MereNovice | Check | ||||
| p1 | Check | ||||
| villain | Check | ||||
| Turn | |||||
| |||||
| MereNovice | Check | ||||
| p1 | Check | ||||
| villain | Bet | £0.80 | £1.40 | £64.33 | |
| MereNovice | Call | £0.80 | £2.20 | £60.49 | |
| p1 | Fold | ||||
| River | |||||
| |||||
| MereNovice | Check | ||||
| villain | Bet | £2.20 | £4.40 | £62.13 | |
| MereNovice | All-in | £60.49 | £64.89 | £0.00 | |
| villain | Fold | ||||
| MereNovice | Muck | ||||
| MereNovice | Win | £6.27 | £6.27 | ||
| MereNovice | Return | £58.29 | £0.33 | £64.56 | |
Comments
Most opponents who've hit and reconise this as a bluff are either calling, wanting to see what you've bluffed with or re-raising to see how far your willing to go. The latter is obviously the prefered one here as you have the nuts.
Thats just the way i'd play it and im sure there will be far more experianced players with different views on this.
As i said it appears as an uncallable bluff to me. It kills the pot odds, which means its not a value bet, which in most cases the nuts would go for.
However as youve said why bet £60 to risk a couple of quid, but thats why a number of players, not saying MereNovice is one of these would shove like this.
Also, my thinking here was that people are more inclined to pay to see the straight flush. I was hoping for a call by any full house, tbh. Given the fact that other players had been wildly over-betting fairly regularly, I was hoping that he might "crack".
I think it was Doyle Brunson that wrote beware of the all in. Wish i had listened.
id overbet to like 18-20, 60quid is 300bbs, he can happily fold Ac here and you really dont want that to happen